Crap Country: U.S. 46th In Life Expectancy

[GreatWhiteNorth]

12 hours ago, mspart said:

Obama care, as V says, has made things more expensive.  And that is with the subsidy that is ending at the end of this year.   Just imagine how bad it will be without that subsidy.   

Sounds like education.    Spend more money for a worse product. 

mspart

V is wrong. MNCare is still alive and well.

V is also wrong. ACA/ObamaCare has made things more affordable.

Sounds like you need to be educated. You need to be a better product.

As I posted in my last post above, this is a right-here right-now situation.

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS TRULY INTERESTED IN HEALTH CARE:

If you still think HC is too expensive, then you should join the conversation between R's and D's right now that is keeping the government shut down. D's are defending affordable health care on their side - R's want to take funding away from affordable health care.

Edited 8 hours ago by GreatWhiteNorth

[WrestlingRasta]

A component regarding our low level of health in this country and the cost of healthcare that is not being talked about enough, is the demand for healthcare.  Like anything else in a capitalism society, when the demand is high, the cost is high.  The demand is high because we choose to be unhealthy in this country.  We choose foods that have more ingredients than an NFL team has players.  We choose to spend the vast majority of our waking hours off our feet. We choose to partake in a lifestyle of high stress. We choose to indulge in large amounts of alcohol and sugar.  There is definitely a genetic element to our health.  But there is also a choice element. And by and large in this country, we do not choose wisely.  This creates a large demand for high level health care.  And where there is high demand, there is high cost. 

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6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

V is wrong. MNCare is still alive and well.

V is also wrong. ACA/ObamaCare has made things more affordable.

Sounds like you need to be educated. You need to be a better product.

As I posted in my last post above, this is a right-here right-now situation.

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS TRULY INTERESTED IN HEALTH CARE:

If you still think HC is too expensive, then you should join the conversation between R's and D's right now that is keeping the government shut down. D's are defending affordable health care on their side - R's want to take funding away from affordable health care.

why did D's sunset the provision for the rebates?

b/c they wanted this exact situation

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I went to a retirement seminar

everyone was asking questions about the prescription plans for all their pills

it was incredible.

im still fairly young. 

but I asked... at what point do we start asking the question... how do we get off of all these pills.

[Viratas]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

V is wrong. MNCare is still alive and well.

V is also wrong. ACA/ObamaCare has made things more affordable.

Sounds like you need to be educated. You need to be a better product.

As I posted in my last post above, this is a right-here right-now situation.

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS TRULY INTERESTED IN HEALTH CARE:

If you still think HC is too expensive, then you should join the conversation between R's and D's right now that is keeping the government shut down. D's are defending affordable health care on their side - R's want to take funding away from affordable health care.

I am not wrong. If you are going to say I am wrong, support your position with at least one fact.

MNCare is Alive, but I would say it's not doing well at all. People who could afford it (not just the poor) now cannot get it. 

MN used a sliding scale that went up to 275% of the Poverty Level, and it offered very good coverage with a low deductible. So, what happens if you exceed 200%? You were kicked off and paying double and in some cases triple, even with the subsidy, especially as it related to co-pay (which were zero under the old system). So, for many people, the working mom who sits just above the threshold gets screwed. 

For the record, yes, sometimes I enjoy poking the bear, and my humor is my primary method of communication. With that said, I am not a liar (like some arrogant poster stated), nor do I generally say things like this unless I know it pretty well, not because I lived there, but because I have some level of direct knowledge. One thing Ray taught me about posting. Don't state something as fact you do not know much about.

I am wrong in life far more then right, and I have no issue being shown how wrong I am with data. People between 201% of FPG and 275% of FPG got screwed, no matter how you dice it, I know that to be 100% accurate.

So no, I did not lie on either account.