How long until VT becomes a top 3 program?

[Richferg]

I can see not going to Iowa, because nobody has gotten any better there in recent memory.  But I think the reason they bypassed PSU and Ok State was simply because they wanted to be the only ones in the room with the spotlight on them.  That wasn't going to happen at Penn State or Oklahoma State.

[HokieDave87]

18 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

in freestyle he has, but remember, this is folkstall. huge difference. 

Is Folkstyle what they use for the Clarion Open? That one seemed pretty easy for him.

[TNwrestling]

22 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

not sure where I said I am so confident, but isn't betting on your nephew and NCAA violation? It is hilarious that someone shares their opinion on a forum and some billy bad ass demands they put 1K on it. Its a forum. Not a betting site. Go for a walk and relax buddy boy. 

At least Jimmy is clear with his ragebait. 
 

Say it with your chest, stand behind your words, if you think bo is a bust and will never amount to anything other than 2x aa then stop deflecting and backtracking and take the bet. 

[fishbane]

On 10/6/2025 at 10:46 PM, BruceyB said:

There are a number of things I would argue with in this post, and one of them is that several of the wrestlers on your projected Iowa roster either have stock that has gone significantly down from when they graduated high school, or their expectation was never to be "the guy" at a school like Iowa. 

But more importantly you are missing the main point. Iowa, one of the biggest names and historied programs in NCAA wrestling, is being passed up in recruiting by Virginia Tech who wasn't even a regular top 10 program when Tom Brands took over the Iowa program. 

VTech has averaged 49.25 points since 2011 and Iowa has averaged 86.7. I'd love for anyone to explain to me how a program that outperforms Virginia Tech year after year is now having a harder time with recruiting. I think that is all you need to know about the message and culture the Brands are selling and how these high school recruits are receiving it.

I don’t think I’d have (m)any of them with their stock significantly down since high school.  You could only reasonably be referring to class of 2023 and 2024 recruits and most of those are stock up.  I’d only really have Block as stock down, but he hasn’t wrestled much.

What you classify as the main point is really beside the point.  I just don’t see what you are saying about Iowa having a harder time recruiting.  Iowa’s recruiting looks to be exactly where it’s always been under Brands.  Over his entire tenure Iowa landed top 5 recruits at a rate of about 2 top 5 recruits every 5 years and he has never landed the #1 overall (Metcalf #2 behind Schlatter, Lee #2 behind Fix, Keuter #2 behind Shapiro, and Ferrari #2 behind Lilledahl). Missing out on Bassett, Miller, and the Raneys I am sure is disappointing, but even two of them would have been a high water mark for Brands’s recruiting.

Brands recruiting in line with his historic average isn’t entirely bad news for the Hawkeyes because Iowa’s results have routinely exceeded his recruiting.  Over the past 20 years many coaches have out recruited Brands but only one program has been able to consistently finish ahead of Iowa at NCAAs.  The question at issue here is will getting these two recruits allow VT to pull ahead of Iowa at NCAAs? It’s possible, but somewhat unclear at this point.  VT will need to find 5 AAs or 4 high AAs to be top 3 team at NCAAs and at this point those are almost entirely theoretical.  Bassett is the only guy in the potential lineup that has beaten a wrestler that’s stood on the podium at NCAAs.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, TNwrestling said:

At least Jimmy is clear with his ragebait. 
 

Say it with your chest, stand behind your words, if you think bo is a bust and will never amount to anything other than 2x aa then stop deflecting and backtracking and take the bet. 

its too early to be drunk, isn't it TN? 

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said:

its too early to be drunk, isn't it TN? 

So no....you don't trust what you said then...got it. 

 

do us a favor, keep your ragebait opinions to yourself

[fishbane]

52 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

So no....you don't trust what you said then...got it. 

 

do us a favor, keep your ragebait opinions to yourself

The two of you are being ridiculous and the proposed wager is dumber than the ragebait.  Not taking the bet means nothing.

Who would take that bet?  A bet with a random dude on the internet for $1000 with a super long time horizon.  If you win the bet it might resolve itself as early as March 2027.  But someone considering taking the the other side doesn't think that's what is going to happen.  With all the ways for you to win (Any NCAA title by Bassett and you win) the earliest you could lose the best in March 2030, but it could be 2031 or later.