White Conservatives are the biggest threat

[Tripnsweep]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Had not heard that.  Even if that’s true what would that have to do with targeting firemen?

Anti government beliefs? His family basically disavowed him. His classmates they interviewed said he was into Nazi stuff and guns. I doubt we'll ever get a true motive but being into that stuff you might be able to guess. 

[Scouts Honor]

so a nazi, not an american

[Undefeated]

Hey everyone,
I want to share a truly bizarre video that Iranians have been laughing at for years—mostly out of shock and disbelief.

About twenty years ago, the German national soccer team came to Tehran to play against Iran. Among the spectators were some Iranians who, strangely enough, admire Hitler and believe in certain delusional myths about him. For example, they think that because Iranians are “Aryans,” Hitler had deep respect for them—this kind of historical fantasy.

These fans, totally unaware of German culture and how Germans actually feel about Hitler, assumed that Germans (still?) admire him. So, in what they thought was a respectful gesture toward their “honorable opponents,” they did something that left the German players and fans at the stadium absolutely horrified.

They gave a Nazi salute—during the German national anthem

Here is the video

The people holding German flags are German fans—completely frozen after the Iranians' "Heil Hitler" moment. They're just staring in disbelief

 

[Tripnsweep]

6 hours ago, Undefeated said:

Hey everyone,
I want to share a truly bizarre video that Iranians have been laughing at for years—mostly out of shock and disbelief.

About twenty years ago, the German national soccer team came to Tehran to play against Iran. Among the spectators were some Iranians who, strangely enough, admire Hitler and believe in certain delusional myths about him. For example, they think that because Iranians are “Aryans,” Hitler had deep respect for them—this kind of historical fantasy.

These fans, totally unaware of German culture and how Germans actually feel about Hitler, assumed that Germans (still?) admire him. So, in what they thought was a respectful gesture toward their “honorable opponents,” they did something that left the German players and fans at the stadium absolutely horrified.

They gave a Nazi salute—during the German national anthem

Here is the video

The people holding German flags are German fans—completely frozen after the Iranians' "Heil Hitler" moment. They're just staring in disbelief

 

I didn't realize how seriously they took it there. Many years ago I was friends with somebody from Austria. And I made something of an offer color joke that referenced the Nazis. They turned white with shock and explained nobody made jokes like that and expressing those kinds of ideas is extremely frowned upon in Austria and Germany. Even if it is a joke. They take that very seriously. They don't have much humor about that at all because they view it as being a very tragic part of their history and want it to be taken seriously, not treated as a joke. 

[Scouts Honor]

point

your head 

[JimmySpeaks]

On 6/17/2025 at 2:24 PM, 1032004 said:

Wut?  “No kings” doesn’t mean they think Trump (and especially not all of MAGA) is racist, they think he wants to be a dictator.  Dictator and racist are very different.

But yes, I agree it’s fairly common for top Dems to call Trump racist. I disagree that it’s common for Dems to call all of MAGA racist.

Liberals think that anyone that voted for Trump is racist.  This site and people like RV, Slip N Tweet, MN Snowplow driver are perfect examples.  To them you’re racist just for agreeing with Trump on anything. 

Edited 19 hours ago by JimmySpeaks

[Undefeated]

2 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I didn't realize how seriously they took it there. Many years ago I was friends with somebody from Austria. And I made something of an offer color joke that referenced the Nazis. They turned white with shock and explained nobody made jokes like that and expressing those kinds of ideas is extremely frowned upon in Austria and Germany. Even if it is a joke. They take that very seriously. They don't have much humor about that at all because they view it as being a very tragic part of their history and want it to be taken seriously, not treated as a joke. 

You're right.
None of us choose where we're born—we just happen to be born in a place with a history that, honestly, has nothing to do with us personally. We're only responsible for our own actions, not for the pride or the mistakes of those who came before us.

That’s why I don’t think modern Germans have any reason to feel ashamed of Germany’s past.

Now, about that video—those people weren’t joking around. In Iran, there’s actually a group of people who admire Hitler. And at least at that time, they were making two major mistakes. First, they genuinely believed that Hitler liked Iranians for racial reasons. But the Nazis' definition of the "Aryan race" didn’t include Iranians at all—though this group in Iran doesn’t see it that way. They treat Hitler’s Mein Kampf almost like a holy book—some even keep a copy in their personal libraries, get swastika tattoos, and use Hitler’s photo as their profile picture. So no, it definitely wasn’t a joke to them.

Second, they weren’t trying to offend the Germans—quite the opposite. They actually thought the Germans supported Hitler. So when Germany’s national anthem was played at a stadium, they gave the Nazi salute thinking it was the most respectful way to honor their guests. It’s wild when you think about it—they meant it as the ultimate sign of respect, and it ended up being one of the worst insults imaginable.

Honestly, someone should make a movie about the whole thing and call it The Misunderstanding.

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

You're right.
None of us choose where we're born—we just happen to be born in a place with a history that, honestly, has nothing to do with us personally. We're only responsible for our own actions, not for the pride or the mistakes of those who came before us.

That’s why I don’t think modern Germans have any reason to feel ashamed of Germany’s past.

Now, about that video—those people weren’t joking around. In Iran, there’s actually a group of people who admire Hitler. And at least at that time, they were making two major mistakes. First, they genuinely believed that Hitler liked Iranians for racial reasons. But the Nazis' definition of the "Aryan race" didn’t include Iranians at all—though this group in Iran doesn’t see it that way. They treat Hitler’s Mein Kampf almost like a holy book—some even keep a copy in their personal libraries, get swastika tattoos, and use Hitler’s photo as their profile picture. So no, it definitely wasn’t a joke to them.

Second, they weren’t trying to offend the Germans—quite the opposite. They actually thought the Germans supported Hitler. So when Germany’s national anthem was played at a stadium, they gave the Nazi salute thinking it was the most respectful way to honor their guests. It’s wild when you think about it—they meant it as the ultimate sign of respect, and it ended up being one of the worst insults imaginable.

Honestly, someone should make a movie about the whole thing and call it The Misunderstanding.

So you would say that reparations for slavery shouldn’t be a thing?  

[Undefeated]

32 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you would say that reparations for slavery shouldn’t be a thing?  

This issue has both a legal and a personal dimension. Legally, reparations are a matter of laws, historical responsibility, and international standards. But on a personal level, individuals can’t be held accountable for actions they didn’t commit.

For example, decades ago Saddam Hussein, with the support of some Western countries, invaded Iran and caused a devastating war with many casualties. Iraq, as a state, still owes reparations. But it wouldn't make sense to hold an Iraqi citizen—born long after the war and uninvolved in any way—personally responsible for Saddam's actions. I think the same logic should apply when we talk about personal responsibility versus collective historical accountability.

[red viking]

54 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you would say that reparations for slavery shouldn’t be a thing?  

Crazy winger question coming from nowhere.  Typical winger bs.

Define reparations 

Edited 18 hours ago by red viking

[1032004]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Liberals think that anyone that voted for Trump is racist.  This site and people like RV, Slip N Tweet, MN Snowplow driver are perfect examples.  To them you’re racist just for agreeing with Trump on anything. 

I disagree that this is what “liberals” think

[JimmySpeaks]

9 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I disagree that this is what “liberals” think

You need to pay attention. It’s exactly what they think.  Watch the news. Read what happens on here.   It’s obvious. 

[JimmySpeaks]

9 hours ago, red viking said:

Crazy winger question coming from nowhere.  Typical winger bs.

Define reparations 

Define what it means to n9t be accountable for things that happened before us.  

[1032004]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

You need to pay attention. It’s exactly what they think.  Watch the news. Read what happens on here.   It’s obvious. 

Good to know they’re all the same

[JimmySpeaks]

9 hours ago, Undefeated said:

This issue has both a legal and a personal dimension. Legally, reparations are a matter of laws, historical responsibility, and international standards. But on a personal level, individuals can’t be held accountable for actions they didn’t commit.

For example, decades ago Saddam Hussein, with the support of some Western countries, invaded Iran and caused a devastating war with many casualties. Iraq, as a state, still owes reparations. But it wouldn't make sense to hold an Iraqi citizen—born long after the war and uninvolved in any way—personally responsible for Saddam's actions. I think the same logic should apply when we talk about personal responsibility versus collective historical accountability.

So I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to fund reparations. Got it. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Good to know they’re all the same

Not all. Just most all.  

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Define what it means to n9t be accountable for things that happened before us.  

Playing dodgeball again. On the rum like always. What are reparations? 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

Playing dodgeball again. On the rum like always. What are reparations? 

Being held accountable for something I had nothing to do with. Pretty simple. 

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So I shouldn’t have to pay taxes to fund reparations. Got it. 

You don't. We can just add it to the national credit card, like we did for the big billionaire bill.. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Playing dodgeball again. On the rum like always. What are reparations? 

Btw. I hate rum. 

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Being held accountable for something I had nothing to do with. Pretty simple. 

You mentioned it, so what is it? Coward. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

You don't. We can just add it to the national credit card, like we did for the big billionaire bill.. 

which has to be paid by raising taxes.  Which you love so much. 

Edited 8 hours ago by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

You mentioned it, so what is it? Coward. 

Paying for something I had nothing to do with. 

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

which has to be paid buy raising taxes.  Which you love so much. 

No, we don't. Just go further into debt. Wingers love that. You love the b.b.b. right? 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

No, we don't. Just go further into debt. Wingers love that. You love the b.b.b. right? 

But but but you hate debt right?