Is it a Genocide?

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

It was a British province and WW2 Jewish refugees were relocated there. Nothing was taken from anyone.  All Arabs who gave up land did so willingly and laughed at the sucker deal they made with the stupid Jews to over pay for worthless land.

What a lie. The Palestinians didn't agree to this, in general. It was handed over to a specific ethnoreligious group and the outsiders lost all power and many lost their homes and that continues to this day. 

Edited Monday at 11:03 PM by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

UN is not "the world." What a dumb statement. 

Yes YOU MADE A DUMB STATEMENT WHEN YOU said it was an embarrassment to the human race when THE WORLD ALLOWED THIS.  

[JimmySpeaks]

18 minutes ago, red viking said:

UN is not "the world." What a dumb statement. 

Read YOUR last sentence you clown   Again, because You “think” you know  better than the world   

Edited Monday at 11:19 PM by JimmySpeaks

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Read YOUR last sentence you clown 

It's simple reading comprehension. UN did it. World allowed UN to do it. Not complicated at all. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

It's simple reading comprehension. UN did it. World allowed UN to do it. Not complicated at all. 

Exactly.  It’s not that hard. The world allowed it because it was necessary 

Edited Monday at 11:20 PM by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

47 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, the day after Israel, with UN backing, declared itself a Jewish state with control over lands occupied by a majority Arab population who did not elect them or consent to being governed by them. The Jewish people weren’t “placed” there. The ones who *already lived there* were given control of land they didn’t own and the people *who did own that land*,naturally, had a problem with that.

You guys know nothing about the actual history of this land. Just talking out of your asses all day long.

There’s a neat rhetorical trick where you guys treat “Jewish people” and the “state of Israel” as one thing. Those are two very different things. People have a right to exist. Governments do not. 

 

A majority Arab population controlled by the British.  Was never theirs soooooo 

[uncle bernard]

29 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

The Gaza health ministry is you source? That's priceless.  

Why won’t Israel let international observers in to verify if the death toll is a lie? What do they have to hide?

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

A majority Arab population controlled by the British.  Was never theirs soooooo 

They could have continued to coexist. Not handing It over to one ethnic group and screwing the other one. 

We don't do that here (unless you want to admit that we are handing America over to white Christian men) so why is it ok there? 

[El Luchador]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Why won’t Israel let international observers in to verify if the death toll is a lie? What do they have to hide?

Because they have been screwed over by observers giving intelligence to Hamas.

[El Luchador]

31 minutes ago, red viking said:

What a lie. The Palestinians didn't agree to this, in general. It was handed over to a specific ethnoreligious group and the outsiders lost all power and many lost their homes and that continues to this day. 

There has never been a Palestine.  There was a province of the Ottoman Empire that was conquered by the British Empire.  Then after millions of Jews were slaughtered and had everything taken from them, the governments of the winning side got to make decisions about how to handle the victims. 

That region was desolate before the Jews took control and still would be today if left in the hands of the Muslims. 

[red viking]

Just now, El Luchador said:

There has never been a Palestine.  There was a province of the Ottoman Empire that was conquered by the British Empire.  Then after millions of Jews were slaughtered and had everything taken from them, the governments of the winning side got to make decisions about how to handle the victims. 

That region was desolate before the Jews took control and still would be today if left in the hands of the Muslims. 

Full of more lies. First, they are called Palestinians regardless of whether it's an actual country. Youre making a pointless sidetrack argument because you're losing. Second, plenty of people lived there. Go look up the population in 1948 before inserting foot in mouth. Third, jews were slaughtered in Europe. Not the Palestinians problem. Ok, go ahead and give them their own theocracy in Europe. Can't take land from white people though. No way. .

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Full of more lies. First, they are called Palestinians regardless of whether it's an actual country. Youre making a pointless sidetrack argument because you're losing. Second, plenty of people lived there. Go look up the population in 1948 before inserting foot in mouth. Third, jews were slaughtered in Europe. Not the Palestinians problem. Ok, go ahead and give them their own theocracy in Europe. Can't take land from white people though. No way. .

The people who were there did nothing with the land. Just being there doesn't make it developed. 

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

The people who were there did nothing with the land. Just being there doesn't make it developed. 

Omg. Did you really just say that? 

[El Luchador]

18 minutes ago, red viking said:

Omg. Did you really just say that? 

I said it because it true. It had no value and couldn't sustain a population until the Jews made something of it. 

[JimmySpeaks]

52 minutes ago, red viking said:

They could have continued to coexist. Not handing It over to one ethnic group and screwing the other one. 

We don't do that here (unless you want to admit that we are handing America over to white Christian men) so why is it ok there? 

Co exist????   When five Arab countries declare war on you the day after you officially have a homeland?    Ya right.  Btw was America was founded by white Christian men.  Nothing is being handed over to them. They created it 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Co exist????   When five Arab countries declare war on you the day after you officially have a homeland?    Ya right.  Btw was America was founded by white Christian men.  Nothing is being handed over to them. They created it 

Its not a Christian theocracy. But you think it should be?

Ok. Let's make 49 states Christian theocracy. Awesome. 

How about we also take one of our own states and make it "Jewish rule" and relocate non jews to reservations within the state? 

Which statse do u live in again? 

[JimmySpeaks]

38 minutes ago, red viking said:

Its not a Christian theocracy. But you think it should be?

Ok. Let's make 49 states Christian theocracy. Awesome. 

How about we also take one of our own states and make it "Jewish rule" and relocate non jews to reservations within the state? 

Which statse do u live in again? 

Why? You going to declare war on me?

[red viking]

10 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Why? You going to declare war on me?

No. But since you think they deserve to be given a "homeland" where there specific ethnic group rules, I think we should give them whichever state you live in. You'll have zero say in anything, unfortunately, if you aren't part of that specific ethnic group or religion, and probably have to move to another area after they take your home but, hey, at least justice will be served. 

[JimmySpeaks]

29 minutes ago, red viking said:

No. But since you think they deserve to be given a "homeland" where there specific ethnic group rules, I think we should give them whichever state you live in. You'll have zero say in anything, unfortunately, if you aren't part of that specific ethnic group or religion, and probably have to move to another area after they take your home but, hey, at least justice will be served. 

You can have the state I live in. It’s very blue.  

[uncle bernard]

14 hours ago, El Luchador said:

It was a British province and WW2 Jewish refugees were relocated there. Nothing was taken from anyone.  All Arabs who gave up land did so willingly and laughed at the sucker deal they made with the stupid Jews to over pay for worthless land.

Lol, no. 

Since you guys stumbled upon a new talking point, the Palestinians weren’t willingly governed by the British either. The British conquered it from the Ottomans in WWI. They were also a colonial occupier. The Palestinians also launched a revolt to try to throw the Brits out. 

The reason the arabs declared war was because instead of getting their own sovereignty when the Brits withdrew, the Brits handed the reigns over to a different minority group. 

Your argument is essentially “if a people get conquered by a foreign empire, that means they never have the right to self-governance again.”

Why did the US colonists have the right to independence. They never “owned” America. It belonged to the British.  

[red viking]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Lol, no. 

Since you guys stumbled upon a new talking point, the Palestinians weren’t willingly governed by the British either. The British conquered it from the Ottomans in WWI. They were also a colonial occupier. The Palestinians also launched a revolt to try to throw the Brits out. 

The reason the arabs declared war was because instead of getting their own sovereignty when the Brits withdrew, the Brits handed the reigns over to a different minority group. 

Your argument is essentially “if a people get conquered by a foreign empire, that means they never have the right to self-governance again.”

Why did the US colonists have the right to independence. They never “owned” America. It belonged to the British.  

The other argument he used is that it wasn't "developed" yet. That one astounded me. 

[red viking]

21 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You can have the state I live in. It’s very blue.  

Well, the wingers are the ones that are more adamant that they deserve to be handed over a "homeland" from somebody else so I think we should give them a red state. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, red viking said:

The other argument he used is that it wasn't "developed" yet. That one astounded me. 

Even if it were true, it’s completely irrelevant. 

[uncle bernard]

Israelis basically reenact Kristallnacht every year to celebrate a national holiday.

Awesome country! There’s certainly no reason to question their intentions when they “accidentally” kill tens of thousands of women and children.

 

[JimmySpeaks]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

Well, the wingers are the ones that are more adamant that they deserve to be handed over a "homeland" from somebody else so I think we should give them a red state. 

It’s the  wokester wingers that think from the river to the sea is what needs to happen.  Supporting terrorists while denying people with no place to go a homeland. And you can stick the “they can co-exist crap where the sun don’t shine as neither side wants to. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:30 PM by JimmySpeaks