The sad state of NIL today

[GimJustafan]

5 hours ago, warren_haynes said:

Jay Bilas was talking about this (albeit on the basketball front) the other day. 

 

Until the athletes are considered employees by the school, there really isn't anything that can be done. The current laws that are on the books don't allow anyone to tell a student where they can go to school or how they can monetize their likeness. That applies to receiving money while not using their likeness. 

so will we see a time ,when signing with schools it will become a binding contract of employment with stipulations on NIL and dollars that may be earned for the position?

 

[boconnell]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

That was the question and what they are getting paid so where are the examples of image value? 

Your question was which wrestler monetized their likeness.  You got multiple answers.  You responded to those answers by telling us nobody is getting 100-250K.  Then you said that was the number being discussed.  But you're the only one to bring that number up.  You are bringing up a random number that isn't connected to anything in the thread, and then you are firing back at anyone that won't engage on your ever moving terms.  

If you want to talk about how NIL isn't really NIL, and how it's really pay for play, then just say it.  Don't use riddles and passive aggressive replies to drag the thread to what you want to talk about.

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Your question was which wrestler monetized their likeness.  You got multiple answers.  You responded to those answers by telling us nobody is getting 100-250K.  Then you said that was the number being discussed.  But you're the only one to bring that number up.  You are bringing up a random number that isn't connected to anything in the thread, and then you are firing back at anyone that won't engage on your ever moving terms.  

If you want to talk about how NIL isn't really NIL, and how it's really pay for play, then just say it.  Don't use riddles and passive aggressive replies to drag the thread to what you want to talk about.

It's hardly a random number.  Multiple examples of 6 figure NIL so where is/are the examples of these athletes monetizing their image. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

It's hardly a random number.  Multiple examples of 6 figure NIL so where is/are the examples of these athletes monetizing their image. 

Aj Ferrari was selling steaks and jersey shore hair gels on instagram 

[ionel]

Just now, Caveira said:

Aj Ferrari was selling steaks and jersey shore hair gels on instagram 

Again AJ didn't come to OSU on a NIL deal.  But sure who doesn't like a good steak and hair gel.  

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

Again AJ didn't come to OSU on a NIL deal.  But sure who doesn't like a good steak and hair gel.  

He’s selling his likeness no?   As crazy as that seems lol 

Edited Monday at 09:24 PM by Caveira

[ionel]

Just now, Caveira said:

He’s selling his likeness no?   As crazy as that seems lol 

6 figures? 

[Caveira]

Just now, ionel said:

6 figures? 

Who cares the figure. 
 

Richie figs sells stuff with his name on it 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

6 figures? 

Wyatt Hendrickson 

Nick Feldman 

Dakota king 

Bryson Valdez 

Sonny santiago

Jj McComas

 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Who cares the figure. 
 

Richie figs sells stuff with his name on it 

Why would you pay someone $400k to $600k for their image and likeness when they are only able to monetize said image into $250 of toothbrush sales? 

[Caveira]

Just now, ionel said:

Why would you pay someone $400k to $600k for their image and likeness when they are only able to monetize said image into $250 of toothbrush sales? 

I found a website with 9,322 products for sale by ncaa wrestlers.   Hoodies shirts weird shorts coffee mugs.
 

There are like thousands of names.

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, ionel said:

Why would you pay someone $400k to $600k for their image and likeness when they are only able to monetize said image into $250 of toothbrush sales? 

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/wrestling/2021/11/24/iowa-wrestling-mark-ironside-helping-nil-name-image-likeness-ncaa/8714226002/
 

CEDAR RAPIDS — Mark Ironside is busy at work inside his Iowa Style Apparel store here on the southwest side of town on a recent Friday morning. He’s excited for many things now that wrestling season is back, but two things stick out.

Edited Monday at 09:38 PM by Caveira

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Why would you pay someone $400k to $600k for their image and likeness when they are only able to monetize said image into $250 of toothbrush sales? 

Schwag for sale galore 

https://athletesthread.com/collections/ncaa-wrestling?srsltid=AfmBOor_WbKC-vlSPA6umedFqWSiIsrc8fQf3MygABrbl-GcpUJjqLJu

 

[boconnell]

26 minutes ago, ionel said:

It's hardly a random number.  Multiple examples of 6 figure NIL so where is/are the examples of these athletes monetizing their image. 

So every discussion of NIL has to prove that somebody is getting 6 figures for their likeness or none of us are allowed to discuss it, even if we aren't talking about those numbers at all?

Can you let us know any other rules you have for all of us?  Or would you rather not tell us so you can climb up on the soapbox with replies that have little to do with the comments you're quoting?

[ionel]

23 minutes ago, boconnell said:

So every discussion of NIL has to prove that somebody is getting 6 figures for their likeness or none of us are allowed to discuss it, even if we aren't talking about those numbers at all?

Can you let us know any other rules you have for all of us?  Or would you rather not tell us so you can climb up on the soapbox with replies that have little to do with the comments you're quoting?

Who said you couldn't talk about it?  I just said show me the monetized $250k to $500k value.

Dr. Pepper is an example of Bryce Young's image value.  They made more than they paid him.  So with all the 6 figure NIL in wrestling give a couple good examples of 6+ figures worth of monitized value. 

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, boconnell said:

Your question was which wrestler monetized their likeness.  You got multiple answers.  You responded to those answers by telling us nobody is getting 100-250K.  Then you said that was the number being discussed.  But you're the only one to bring that number up.  You are bringing up a random number that isn't connected to anything in the thread, and then you are firing back at anyone that won't engage on your ever moving terms.  

If you want to talk about how NIL isn't really NIL, and how it's really pay for play, then just say it.  Don't use riddles and passive aggressive replies to drag the thread to what you want to talk about.

Ionel bringing up $100-250k then arguing with everyone about it not being $100-250k. 

[boconnell]

48 minutes ago, ionel said:

Who said you couldn't talk about it?  I just said show me the monetized $250k to $500k value.

Dr. Pepper is an example of Bryce Young's image value.  They made more than they paid him.  So with all the 6 figure NIL in wrestling give a couple good examples of 6+ figures worth of monitized value. 

Not one person has said anybody is monetizing 6+ figures in this thread.  But that's because you're the only one to mention 6 figures in this thread.  You keep beating up a strawman while quoting people who didn't say anything close to whatever you're arguing against. 

[Kov88]

19 hours ago, pokemonster said:

This just about sums it all up in one post... Thoughts? 

Don’t know if this is real or just a troll job, but his first mistake would be asking for advice on social media for a transaction like this

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Who said you couldn't talk about it?  I just said show me the monetized $250k to $500k value.

Dr. Pepper is an example of Bryce Young's image value.  They made more than they paid him.  So with all the 6 figure NIL in wrestling give a couple good examples of 6+ figures worth of monitized value. 

Cstall is reportedly taking in 1.3 million. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Cstall is reportedly taking in 1.3 million. 

I will take the under. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I will take the under. 

https://www.yardbarker.com/general_sports/articles/penn_state_wrestling_star_carter_starocci_suggests_13_million_hes_rumored_to_earn_in_nil_money_well_below_reality/s1_17358_40824342#:~:text=In a post this week,NIL deals this upcoming season.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Caveira said:

https://www.yardbarker.com/general_sports/articles/penn_state_wrestling_star_carter_starocci_suggests_13_million_hes_rumored_to_earn_in_nil_money_well_below_reality/s1_17358_40824342#:~:text=In a post this week,NIL deals this upcoming season.

I am not saying you are wrong, it certainly was reported. I am saying I do not think Starocci is a faithful narrator.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am not saying you are wrong, it certainly was reported. I am saying I do not think Starocci is a faithful narrator.

Ha.  True.  I’m just  having fun tbh.

I’ve  said before and I’ll say again 

we really only know two facts about nil 

1) we have no factual idea what anyone is getting 

and 

2) the schools aren’t paying nil.   Third parties are.  
 

everything else is hearsay. 

Edited Monday at 11:37 PM by Caveira