Henson TD — psych!

[Dark Energy]

Can someone please explain how the Henson TD was overturned?  In front, had both legs, opponent on butt, Henson head down between opponents legs. 
 

What was precisely different from the rule they put in after Jordan Oliver match?  

[1032004]

Good question.  I thought for sure that was a TD

[Elevator]

Reaction time?

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

Can someone please explain how the Henson TD was overturned?  In front, had both legs, opponent on butt, Henson head down between opponents legs. 
 

What was precisely different from the rule they put in after Jordan Oliver match?  

in front. that's all you need to say.

[Dark Energy]

Reaction time?  I don’t think so.  It settled  in for a bit.  There was a pause before the TD was given.  
 

Anyone have another reason?   Really feeling this was a crap call reversal.  
 

Is ref association required to explain?

[gimpeltf]

Does anyone have a picture of this one? There were a couple and being old, I'm having trouble distinguishing without photo evidence/reminder.

[Rassling2]

2 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Does anyone have a picture of this one? There were a couple and being old, I'm having trouble distinguishing without photo evidence/reminder.

Being old? Old is gold as they say!

[Dark Energy]

29 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

in front. that's all you need to say.

Not sure what you mean.  Pls clarify.

[Scouts Honor]

its clear when he had both legs and his head not under and ridge not on butt , he was out front. 

[Dark Energy]

Here is a picture.  Ridge is on butt.  Both legs.  Hope can see it is a live pic. Ridge was there for more than reaction time.

[gimpeltf]

Thanks, this is the one I was thinking of. Not a td here because both butt cheeks not down. What I noticed (more when they replayed but I thought might have happened live) was that Henson pulled his left arm off Ridge's right leg and put both around Ridge's right so that later didn't have both legs.

[1032004]

Were there any other TD’s overturned in the finals other than this and Hamiti’s in regulation?  Although even 2 feels like a lot for the finals 

[gimpeltf]

44 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Thanks, this is the one I was thinking of. Not a td here because both butt cheeks not down. What I noticed (more when they replayed but I thought might have happened live) was that Henson pulled his left arm off Ridge's right leg and put both around Ridge's right so that later didn't have both legs.

Meant left leg for the second part.

[creek chub]

I’m a VT fan but also realistic, it looked like a TD to me. 

[Scouts Honor]

heads not up

[Dogbone]

Watching live, I thought it was close but when Ridge popped his hips off the mat, I thought it was within reaction time and not a TD.  

At the end of the day.  Ridge and Henson will always be a coinflip match, they wrestled 4 times and are 2-2 with each getting a Title with the other in the bracket.    Feels right to me.

Edited 16 hours ago by Dogbone

[ChickenWing]

9 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

heads not up

I'm curious about this. I thought the Jordan Oliver rule change eliminated the "head up" requirement for a takedown. That was in 2013 so it may have changed again.

[gimpeltf]

12 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Watching live, I thought it was close but when Ridge popped his hips off the mat, I thought it was within reaction time and not a TD.  

Agree with that also about reaction time.

[Dark Energy]

It did eliminate the head up requirement I believe.  Read up on it.  
 

Gimp - need both butt cheeks down in this position?  Ok, will need to go back and check.  Many other TDs don’t need both butt cheeks down.

Edited 16 hours ago by Dark Energy

[Scouts Honor]

8 minutes ago, ChickenWing said:

I'm curious about this. I thought the Jordan Oliver rule change eliminated the "head up" requirement for a takedown. That was in 2013 so it may have changed again.

his head was up... this one is still underneath ridge 

[gimpeltf]

46 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

It did eliminate the head up requirement I believe.  Read up on it.  
 

Gimp - need both butt cheeks down in this position?  Ok, will need to go back and check.  Many other TDs don’t need both butt cheeks down.

The butt thing is an interpretation not a specific rule.

 

I was just talking to Kessel who did the challenges. I noticed in the finals how fast they went. Turns out they had 4 people there (two specific challengees and two refs rotating down there) watching on 8 screens. So they had already been watching (especially during the finals).

[Dark Energy]

Thanks Gimp.  I’m watching the ESPN video.  I can’t see angle on butt but see your note here.

Now I will get on my soapbox.  I disagree on the no TD call.  If that is not considered a TD it needs to be.  We need to reward the aggression.  And the simple optics of who is in each position … with green covering and in control of legs and red hips … with red sitting on butt …  screams TD.