Why designating cartels as terrorist organizations or using the military to go after them in Mexico will fail

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Nope, absolutely not.

I've already said what Obama did was wrong, so you'll have to present an actual justification instead of a lame "whataboutism" (shout out @Interviewed_at_Weehawken)

I responded before seeing the page or two of arguments on the topic.  Carry on 

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

I'll make it even more clear so you can maybe see where your mistake is and get a tiny bit smarter today.

AOC = X

The Squad = Y

Me: X does this.

You: But Y doesn't do that.

Me: Yes, that's why I said *X* does that, not *Y* does that.

 

Squad = led by its most popular member AOC 

[JimmySpeaks]

17 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You just said socialists, like the squad, don't tow the party line, so which is it? 

That’s what you said 

[JimmySpeaks]

18 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You just said socialists, like the squad, don't tow the party line, so which is it? 

Let’s see all your proof that AOC is rowing the party line. I’m pretty sure there’s far more out there where’s not. 

[red viking]

Rowing, toeing. Same thing. 

[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s what you said 

No, that's what YOU said.

"I just watched a video of one of the squad members.  Far from towing the party line."

 

[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Let’s see all your proof that AOC is rowing the party line. I’m pretty sure there’s far more out there where’s not. 

For a recent example, she voted, with the Dem party line, against an amendment that stripped Israel of military aid. Other members of the squad - Omar, Tlaib, Lee - voted for the amendment, against AOC and the party.

[uncle bernard]

38 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Those are exactly the type of boats they typically use.  You should watch To Catch a Smuggler: Tropical Takedown.  Reality show about catching the drug runners and the type of boats they use.  Besides, you are assuming that it's the only boat they are using.  

As for bombing of the alleged cartel members from Venezuela, as much as I want to see those criminals taken down, not sure I am in agreement with indiscriminately just bombing the boat.  My hope is that there were extenuating circumstances that called for this to happen, but if not, I don't think it is a "good thing" so to speak.

Well said.

21 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Similar to my thoughts.  Had they approached the boat and been fired upon?  Arrest is often difficult when they jettison the cargo, but that still doesn’t deserve a missile.  I’m guessing there was resistance that wasn’t included on the video we watched. 

There was no resistance and the government is very open about that. It's actually the key detail of the case and why the video was released immediately and touted by the Trump admin. This was a precision military strike on an unsuspecting target. There was no attempt to arrest them and that is very important.

The Trump Administration's argument is that because they consider the cartel to be a terrorist organization, they are allowed to strike and kill them as enemy combatants, bypassing any responsibility to non-lethally apprehend them. Furthermore, Rubio said they don't even think that boat was coming to America!