New Starting Weight Procedure

[stealyphil223]

With the new starting weight procedure for duals, either coaches agree to start at 125 or there is a coin flip and winning coach gets to pick the starting weight.  I really like the strategy behind the coin flip now, feel like that needs to be televised in these big duals.  

[ionel]

  On 12/2/2022 at 4:11 PM, stealyphil223 said:

With the new starting weight procedure for duals, either coaches agree to start at 125 or there is a coin flip and winning coach gets to pick the starting weight.  I really like the strategy behind the coin flip now, feel like that needs to be televised in these big duals.  

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What do you mean by "new?"

[SetonHallPirate]

  On 12/2/2022 at 4:11 PM, stealyphil223 said:

With the new starting weight procedure for duals, either coaches agree to start at 125 or there is a coin flip and winning coach gets to pick the starting weight.  I really like the strategy behind the coin flip now, feel like that needs to be televised in these big duals.  

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I like it, but I do think it needs to be improved...I'd like to see a "scratch" system, where coaches alternate striking weights they DON'T want to start at, and there's a coin flip between the last two. Besides, having a coin flip televised an hour before the dual starts is an absolute non-starter for the television networks, unless they tape-delay the coin flip only and show it at the top of the broadcast.

The current college system would be better used in high school, IMO, where there already is a ton of weight behind the coin flip, and being able to choose the start weight would counterbalance that, but in college, almost nobody "matches up" due to the current qualifying system (especially in D-1).

[SetonHallPirate]

  On 12/2/2022 at 4:26 PM, ionel said:

What do you mean by "new?"

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Well, new since the 2019 off-season, when they got rid of the draw (which was generally done with tongue depressors, for those wondering, although I know Michigan changed to a ten-sided die in its last year).

[98lberEating2Lunches]

  On 12/2/2022 at 4:27 PM, SetonHallPirate said:

coaches alternate striking weights they DON'T want to start at

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Why?  Seems like a waste of time and contrived drama that would get old real quick.

Why not--if the coaches can't agree to a starting weight--they each place their preferred starting weight on a card, then the coin flip. Winner of the coin flip decides whether to use their card, or opposing coach's and instead decide whether they want even or odd choice in 2nd periods.

I thought winner of coin flip could choose starting weight or choice of bottom before, if the coaches couldn't agree on the starting weight (125 or other) 

[stealyphil223]

  On 12/2/2022 at 4:26 PM, ionel said:

What do you mean by "new?"

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It was either start at 125 or random draw.  Now 125 or flip and choice. 

[SetonHallPirate]

  On 12/2/2022 at 7:46 PM, stealyphil223 said:

It was either start at 125 or random draw.  Now 125 or flip and choice. 

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Fake news. It was either start at a weight that the two coaches would agree to (there was specific mention of "showcasing" a weight, in fact, in the rules) or random draw. The myth about it being either 125 or draw was just that...

[SetonHallPirate]

  On 12/2/2022 at 7:38 PM, 98lberEating2Lunches said:

Why?  Seems like a waste of time and contrived drama that would get old real quick.

Why not--if the coaches can't agree to a starting weight--they each place their preferred starting weight on a card, then the coin flip. Winner of the coin flip decides whether to use their card, or opposing coach's and instead decide whether they want even or odd choice in 2nd periods.

I thought winner of coin flip could choose starting weight or choice of bottom before, if the coaches couldn't agree on the starting weight (125 or other) 

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Contrived drama? It happens behind closed doors anyway, at weigh-ins!

And it's not unheard of...when you are choosing an independent arbitrator for an arbitration hearing (for example), the two sides are given a list of eligible and willing names, and they alternate striking names until one guy is left...

[davenowa]

would still prefer to see locked line-ups in high school, to minimize impact of coin toss and to avoid ducking.  sorry to awaken the wrath of the fine senator.  details available upon request, but only in the form of a single run-on paragraph.

[Crablegs]

  On 12/2/2022 at 7:54 PM, SetonHallPirate said:

Contrived drama? It happens behind closed doors anyway, at weigh-ins!

And it's not unheard of...when you are choosing an independent arbitrator for an arbitration hearing (for example), the two sides are given a list of eligible and willing names, and they alternate striking names until one guy is left...

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I like this, it seems more fair.  Right now the coin flip winner gets a pretty big advantage.  Just think how big the flip is for Iowa this weekend to get to choose 133.  

[Warm Up Champ]

Is this going to come into play Sunday for the Cy Hawk dual?

[BobDole]

  On 12/2/2022 at 8:54 PM, davenowa said:

would still prefer to see locked line-ups in high school, to minimize impact of coin toss and to avoid ducking.  sorry to awaken the wrath of the fine senator.  details available upon request, but only in the form of a single run-on paragraph.

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[SetonHallPirate]

  On 12/2/2022 at 8:54 PM, davenowa said:

would still prefer to see locked line-ups in high school, to minimize impact of coin toss and to avoid ducking.  sorry to awaken the wrath of the fine senator.  details available upon request, but only in the form of a single run-on paragraph.

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In high school, I think you could blunt that by going to the current college rules (not the arbitration-style rules I've suggested). I hate matching up as much as the next guy (esteemed Senator from Kansas notwithstanding), but I feel like being able to choose the start weight in HS (with no "strikes", so to speak) would be a fair and equitable counterweight to not being able to choose odd/even matches to send second.

[Fadzaev2]

I'm starting to think.....wow, let's just wrestle....maybe we should just start at the next weight every year...smh