JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Is the Fordham Institute more conservative or progressive? Do you have any articles advocating for the opposite side of your point? Do you?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Eliminating honors programs, how we grade, the amount of reading and writing required, entrance to college standards, SAT questions, discipline in schools I would love to see more higher level classes offered. More classes in general. Not sure how we grade, don't know what you mean. Not sure of the amount of reading and writing that is required now vs the past. Entrance to college standards. Unfortunately even non-profits need money to survive(i'm not a huge fan of that system, I think they are too big and could use some trimming) . If the state, Fed isn't giving them money, they need kids, and can't hold their standards high and get the numbers. Its not great for the students or the school. I agree. I feel they need to be regulated more/better. Keep them from expanding behind what is feasible. SAT questions. Not sure what you mean there. Discipline in schools. Not sure again. We do hear of some kids being crazy. That might just be kids being kids or the need to fill air time with sensational stories to drive interest and money. Again, don't really agree with the practice. But there could be many explanations to each individual case and the 'trend' as a whole. Might be a worthwhile venture to help improve the school experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: The original post was to highlight articles that someone thinks that the media is outright saying they want to control your thoughts. The media does want to control our thoughts. That's not up for debate for folks that follow the Main Street News, read the journalist vs citizen surveys on the purpose of journalism, understand who pays the media and why, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Grading for instance used to be A, B, C, D, F now it’s Pass or Fail pass includes A, B, C, D Fail includes F I can have A results and get the same Grade as someone that got D results. All in the name of making someone feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 56 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Since you are a teacher Is TPTD a teacher for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: I would love to see more higher level classes offered. More classes in general. Not sure how we grade, don't know what you mean. Not sure of the amount of reading and writing that is required now vs the past. Entrance to college standards. Unfortunately even non-profits need money to survive(i'm not a huge fan of that system, I think they are too big and could use some trimming) . If the state, Fed isn't giving them money, they need kids, and can't hold their standards high and get the numbers. Its not great for the students or the school. I agree. I feel they need to be regulated more/better. Keep them from expanding behind what is feasible. SAT questions. Not sure what you mean there. Discipline in schools. Not sure again. We do hear of some kids being crazy. That might just be kids being kids or the need to fill air time with sensational stories to drive interest and money. Again, don't really agree with the practice. But there could be many explanations to each individual case and the 'trend' as a whole. Might be a worthwhile venture to help improve the school experience. Cant have honors classes because if certain demographics aren’t represented it’s not fair. So it’s leveled down instead of up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, jross said: Is TPTD a teacher for real? I saw that too. If true, It sure explains a lot as to why our kids can’t read and write. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/because-equity-not-good-reason-lower-standards interesting article on leveling up instead of down. Not sure of what this article is trying to say is actually happening. It seems to try to say that if poor people are helped to get a better education that the more advantaged will suffer. Is that the only solution? Or could we just give more money to the places that have be criminally underfunded so that they can, eventually, offer the same things that more wealthy areas have taken for granted for so long? This is what the saying, 'To the privileged, equality feels like oppression' alludes to. Those that have the most and have had the system tilted in their favor(some have worked hard to tilt it) fear the tilting back of the system. For fear of losing their way of life. But those that have gotten left behind suffer, needlessly. We have enough to help. NOT, NOT equity of outcome. Just a more equal starting point. https://www.shankerinstitute.org/resource/does-money-matter-education-second-edition#:~:text=Yes.,improved or higher student outcomes. More money in schools will help students achieve more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, jross said: Is TPTD a teacher for real? I’m guessing no. A teacher would (should) be in class teaching right now and not on social media. I means it’s 10:22 am eastern time as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, ThreePointTakedown said: Not sure of what this article is trying to say is actually happening. It seems to try to say that if poor people are helped to get a better education that the more advantaged will suffer. Is that the only solution? Or could we just give more money to the places that have be criminally underfunded so that they can, eventually, offer the same things that more wealthy areas have taken for granted for so long? This is what the saying, 'To the privileged, equality feels like oppression' alludes to. Those that have the most and have had the system tilted in their favor(some have worked hard to tilt it) fear the tilting back of the system. For fear of losing their way of life. But those that have gotten left behind suffer, needlessly. We have enough to help. NOT, NOT equity of outcome. Just a more equal starting point. https://www.shankerinstitute.org/resource/does-money-matter-education-second-edition#:~:text=Yes.,improved or higher student outcomes. More money in schools will help students achieve more. Why is more money (that nobody has ) always your answer? Fix the problem and not with a band aid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Not sure of what this article is trying to say is actually happening. It seems to try to say that if poor people are helped to get a better education that the more advantaged will suffer. Is that the only solution? Or could we just give more money to the places that have be criminally underfunded so that they can, eventually, offer the same things that more wealthy areas have taken for granted for so long? This is what the saying, 'To the privileged, equality feels like oppression' alludes to. Those that have the most and have had the system tilted in their favor(some have worked hard to tilt it) fear the tilting back of the system. For fear of losing their way of life. But those that have gotten left behind suffer, needlessly. We have enough to help. NOT, NOT equity of outcome. Just a more equal starting point. https://www.shankerinstitute.org/resource/does-money-matter-education-second-edition#:~:text=Yes.,improved or higher student outcomes. More money in schools will help students achieve more. Bahahahhahahahahaah. It just makes the unions richer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: I would love to see more higher level classes offered. More classes in general. Not sure how we grade, don't know what you mean. Not sure of the amount of reading and writing that is required now vs the past. Entrance to college standards. Unfortunately even non-profits need money to survive(i'm not a huge fan of that system, I think they are too big and could use some trimming) . If the state, Fed isn't giving them money, they need kids, and can't hold their standards high and get the numbers. Its not great for the students or the school. I agree. I feel they need to be regulated more/better. Keep them from expanding behind what is feasible. SAT questions. Not sure what you mean there. Discipline in schools. Not sure again. We do hear of some kids being crazy. That might just be kids being kids or the need to fill air time with sensational stories to drive interest and money. Again, don't really agree with the practice. But there could be many explanations to each individual case and the 'trend' as a whole. Might be a worthwhile venture to help improve the school experience. Since 2017-2018 homeschooling has increased 51% and private schooling is up $7%. Over 2 million kids now get schooling at home. Improved experience and better leaning environment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, JimmyBT said: Grading for instance used to be A, B, C, D, F now it’s Pass or Fail pass includes A, B, C, D Fail includes F I can have A results and get the same Grade as someone that got D results. All in the name of making someone feel better. I asked my three kids the old grading question. You know.. the one where the teacher decides to teach the class about socialism by giving every kid the same grade on tests. At first, everyone got a B, then a D, then an F. This concept was new to them, and they (11, 14, 17 years old) answered immediately and correctly as I told the story. How did the students' attitudes change after the first test? (the studiers were frustrated, the laggards were happy) Why do you think the average grade dropped in the second test? (the studiers lost motivation, the laggards stopped trying) What happened to the students' cooperation as the tests continued? (no effort from anyone) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: https://www.highereddive.com/news/nearly-half-of-companies-plan-to-eliminate-bachelors-degree-requirements/702277/#:~:text=Forty-five percent of companies,level roles%2C the survey shows. So who is your complaint with on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, jross said: You asked where the data is that supports the media bias. It was provided in support of general information and business journalism bias. You are welcome. The data leads to your smart question: why would businesses promote progressive ideas that are bad for profits? My mind wonders about the progressive education system that corporate leaders and the youth attend. The youth want to spend money on corporations that reflect their values. That incentivizes businesses to spend on progressive ideas to be attractive to the youth. Another influence is that some giant hedge fund owners have expressly communicated that they will change corporate behaviors by force of money. And... some of these behaviors make me sick. It is fantastic to see multiple billionaires taking action against coercive behaviors of racist DEI and fascist speech suppression. How do you determine that education is progressive? Where, in public or private? People want to advance those people, places, and things that support their ideas and values. Yes. Not just to youth. You, as a non-youth I'm assuming, are just as susceptible to corporate influence. When you convince yourself you aren't, you might already be lost to that influence. Hedge funds changing corporate behavior by force: Where are you going with that, please expand? Hedge funds like making money. That's what I know about hedge funds. What is racist about DEI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 24 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Cant have honors classes because if certain demographics aren’t represented it’s not fair. So it’s leveled down instead of up. Is that in the article? Not sure I saw that. Where is this practice taking place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Is that in the article? Not sure I saw that. Where is this practice taking place? https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/schools-cut-honors-classes-to-address-racial-equity-it-isnt-a-quick-fix-77d32e83#:~:text=The theory goes that starting,advanced courses in most states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Is that in the article? Not sure I saw that. Where is this practice taking place? Plenty of articles out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Why is more money (that nobody has ) always your answer? Fix the problem and not with a band aid Because I think it will help. There is data and other countries doing it, now. That tells us that we can fix the problem. If your yearly cost to go to the doctor was an average of $3000 and you were taxed and extra $2000 per year, but that means you don't have to pay anything to visit a doctor, ever. With no other changes made at all, would you be in favor of that? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Because I think it will help. There is data and other countries doing it, now. That tells us that we can fix the problem. If your yearly cost to go to the doctor was an average of $3000 and you were taxed and extra $2000 per year, but that means you don't have to pay anything to visit a doctor, ever. With no other changes made at all, would you be in favor of that? Why or why not? Look at the big picture just for once. Have you ever been to a VA hospital? I have. It’s government controlled health care and they’re shitholes compared to public hospitals. But you did pay for it. Edited January 23 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 20 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Since 2017-2018 homeschooling has increased 51% and private schooling is up $7%. Over 2 million kids now get schooling at home. Improved experience and better leaning environment. I don't think your conclusion is born out by those statistics. But think about it. Kids are being taught by people who, probably, don't have experience teaching kids. Its not as easy as you might think. If they can do it, great. I'm glad. Many people don't have the resources to do that. Would you agree? I think more people have fallen prey to the demonizing of education and public education specifically. Those private schools, are they religious, do they have to conform to regulations, can they exclude certain students for whatever reason they want, can they exclude certain people as teachers? I don't find those environments as beneficial to kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I can pick up my phone right now and call MY doctor and see him by tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, ThreePointTakedown said: I don't think your conclusion is born out by those statistics. But think about it. Kids are being taught by people who, probably, don't have experience teaching kids. Its not as easy as you might think. If they can do it, great. I'm glad. Many people don't have the resources to do that. Would you agree? I think more people have fallen prey to the demonizing of education and public education specifically. Those private schools, are they religious, do they have to conform to regulations, can they exclude certain students for whatever reason they want, can they exclude certain people as teachers? I don't find those environments as beneficial to kids. It’s a trend that’s probably not going to slow down. Most schools aren’t even safe to be in let alone learn. With social media very few don’t have the resources now days. With the way the regulations are being lowered it seems easily doable no matter whom you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Look at the big picture just for once. Have you ever been to a VA hospital? I have. It’s government controlled health care and they’re shitholes compared to public hospitals. But you did pay for it. I agree that VA hospitals are not great. Am I glad that they don't have to pay anything for that treatment? Yes. Can they be done better? Yes and more money might help. But since we're talking about the VA and veterans. Should the defense budget be that high? So much money makes a lot of people rich. Rich people try to protect their investment. Would they be out of a job or steady income if they lost that spigot of cash? Maybe. Is that an incentive to bother congress people to keep the funds coming? Yes. Does congress need to justify the money they spend? Not really, but they should. If they did feel the need to justify that money, might they get a little too aggressive with the military or be less aggressive with diplomacy in order to justify such a high 'defense' budget? Maybe. That creates more veterans in general. Which creates more veterans that need health care. Might be an complicated fix but spending less might help veterans get better health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: I can pick up my phone right now and call MY doctor and see him by tomorrow. That is a response to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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