Margin of Victory

[Wrestleknownothing]

Will PSU break the margin of victory record currently held by the 1986 Iowa Hawkeyes?

Iowa won the tournament with 158 points while Oklahoma was runner up with 84.25, for a spread of 73.75 points (188%).

Based on my projections PSU is looking at a 64 point margin of victory (120.5 vs 56.5 or 113%, but probably a lower % spread once bonus is added in). That assumes they and the runner up score the same bonus points. Is that a safe assumption?

Interestingly Iowa under Gable also holds the record for smallest MOV, 0.5 points in 1978. That record can only ever be broken if they go back to quarter point scoring (from 1976  to 1987 a superior decision was worth 0.75 and from 1988 to 1994 a TF was worth 0.75).

[Wrestleknownothing]

that should either be 88% vs 113% or 188% vs 213%. Mea culpa.

[11986]

so that Iowa .5 margin of victory in 1978 - took a look at that bracket to see if there was anything especially noteworthy that could have been the difference. See that Frank Santana from Iowa St lost by default in the finals. So that inspired me to see if I could find any details on that.

from SI vault:

 

Santana's opponent was Ron Jeidy of Wisconsin, who led 3-1 with slightly more than two minutes to go in the second period. At that point Jeidy tried a takedown. Santana fought him off. In the process, however, Santana severely wrenched his right knee. Time was called while his trainer and coach examined him. When action resumed, Santana stumbled to keep his balance. So Iowa State Coach Dr. Harold Nichols stepped on the mat and signaled that he would not allow Santana to continue. Thus, Iowa won by half a point and earned Gable, a 1972 Olympic gold medalist, his first title in two years as coach.

Iowa had to sweat it out - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

 

 

 

 

[11986]

as for PSU MOV, I vote no. I see a 135-80 type margin.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, 11986 said:

so that Iowa .5 margin of victory in 1978 - took a look at that bracket to see if there was anything especially noteworthy that could have been the difference. See that Frank Santana from Iowa St lost by default in the finals. So that inspired me to see if I could find any details on that.

from SI vault:

 

Santana's opponent was Ron Jeidy of Wisconsin, who led 3-1 with slightly more than two minutes to go in the second period. At that point Jeidy tried a takedown. Santana fought him off. In the process, however, Santana severely wrenched his right knee. Time was called while his trainer and coach examined him. When action resumed, Santana stumbled to keep his balance. So Iowa State Coach Dr. Harold Nichols stepped on the mat and signaled that he would not allow Santana to continue. Thus, Iowa won by half a point and earned Gable, a 1972 Olympic gold medalist, his first title in two years as coach.

Iowa had to sweat it out - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

 

 

 

 

Nice dig

[11986]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nice dig

thanks. blind squirrel in full force today

[Caveira]

Is the record even valid anymore?  With all the scoring changing and all…… 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Is the record even valid anymore?  With all the scoring changing and all…… 

Kinda, Sorta. But not totally.

First place used to be worth a greater percentage of total placement points. In 1986 first was 29% of total placement, but now it is only 24%. That make it harder to break the MOV record.

[AgaveMaria]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Is the record even valid anymore?  With all the scoring changing and all…… 

Sure it is. 5 is still 4 more than 1. Math is math and Penn State can cipher better than all those other guys put together.

Cael is from Utah and learned to count in big numbers to keep track of all the wives and kids in those big polygamous families.

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Sure it is. 5 is still 4 more than 1. Math is math and Penn State can cipher better than all those other guys put together.

Cael is from Utah and learned to count in big numbers to keep track of all the wives and kids in those big polygamous families.

Not sure if Your serious.   If td and nf are worth way more…. And in theory  there should be far more majors…. And a lot more tf.   Bonus Should be higher per Match/capita this year.   The idea that a record from 30+ years ago against old scoring systems is valid is sort of nonsense.  
 

33% is a big #.    Imagine if income changed at this pace over a 10 year period.  Or inflation.  Or whatever.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

30 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Not sure if Your serious.   If td and nf are worth way more…. And in theory  there should be far more majors…. And a lot more tf.   Bonus Should be higher per Match/capita this year.   The idea that a record from 30+ years ago against old scoring systems is valid is sort of nonsense.  
 

33% is a big #.    Imagine if income changed at this pace over a 10 year period.  Or inflation.  Or whatever.  

I am not sure that will have a big impact on margin of victory as all teams have the same potwntial to benefit from the scoring change in a given year, and MOV is a measure within a year that can mostly be compared across years.

Where it breaks down is when the difference between first and third, fourth, etc. changes from year to year. The winning team will place higher on average so bigger spreads lead to bigger MOV. Right now the spread is tighter than it has ever been making it harder to beat the Iowa record even with bonus point inflation.