Carter Starocci should win the Hodge

[buckshot]

The only other real candidate is Parris but let's look at the criteria:

1. Record- both are undefeated

2. Number of Pins- Parris gets this but the best guy he pinned was Tinker from Cal Poly. He's also the only guy who qualified for Nationals that he pinned and he went 0-2. Starocci pinned three guys who qualified for Nationals and they all won matches there including pinning the 2nd place finisher

3. Dominance- Carter's bonus percentage was 67% and Parris' was 64%

4. Past Credentials- Hmmm, Carter has gone 1-1-1 while Parris went DNP-2-5-1. Carter's career record is 80-2, Parris' is 126-18. Carter also ended the season with the longest winning streak in the country.

5. Quality of competition- This is a push for this season but Starocci has beaten an NCAA champ in his career while Parris has never done it

6. Sportsmanship- Push

7. Heart- Slight edge to Carter because he avenged both of the losses he suffered in his career. 

[scourge165]

11 minutes ago, buckshot said:

The only other real candidate is Parris but let's look at the criteria:

1. Record- both are undefeated

2. Number of Pins- Parris gets this but the best guy he pinned was Tinker from Cal Poly. He's also the only guy who qualified for Nationals that he pinned and he went 0-2. Starocci pinned three guys who qualified for Nationals and they all won matches there including pinning the 2nd place finisher

3. Dominance- Carter's bonus percentage was 67% and Parris' was 64%

4. Past Credentials- Hmmm, Carter has gone 1-1-1 while Parris went DNP-2-5-1. Carter's career record is 80-2, Parris' is 126-18. Carter also ended the season with the longest winning streak in the country.

5. Quality of competition- This is a push for this season but Starocci has beaten an NCAA champ in his career while Parris has never done it

6. Sportsmanship- Push

7. Heart- Slight edge to Carter because he avenged both of the losses he suffered in his career. 

I'd lean Parris on #7 and not just lean Parris on #6, but that's a big edge.

Starocci may have the better case for it, but man, his arrogance is annoying. Saying because the UFC Champ was a D2 Champ, that's "beginners stuff where he comes from?" That it'd be "easy." The first may be true, the second is not and is asinine.

He's crossed over from swagger and a little arrogance, but mostly supreme confidence to making some kinda silly comments. 

[buckshot]

39 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I'd lean Parris on #7 and not just lean Parris on #6, but that's a big edge.

Starocci may have the better case for it, but man, his arrogance is annoying. Saying because the UFC Champ was a D2 Champ, that's "beginners stuff where he comes from?" That it'd be "easy." The first may be true, the second is not and is asinine.

He's crossed over from swagger and a little arrogance, but mostly supreme confidence to making some kinda silly comments. 

I think the sportsmanship is only applied to wrestling. If anything I'd ding Carter for his post-match words with Washington but as as far as smack-talking in MMA that's actually part of that sport.

[TylerDurden]

7 minutes ago, buckshot said:

The only other real candidate is Parris but let's look at the criteria:

1. Record- both are undefeated

2. Number of Pins- Parris gets this but the best guy he pinned was Tinker from Cal Poly. He's also the only guy who qualified for Nationals that he pinned and he went 0-2. Starocci pinned three guys who qualified for Nationals and they all won matches there including pinning the 2nd place finisher

3. Dominance- Carter's bonus percentage was 67% and Parris' was 64%

4. Past Credentials- Hmmm, Carter has gone 1-1-1 while Parris went DNP-2-5-1. Carter's career record is 80-2, Parris' is 126-18. Carter also ended the season with the longest winning streak in the country.

5. Quality of competition- This is a push for this season but Starocci has beaten an NCAA champ in his career while Parris has never done it

6. Sportsmanship- Push

7. Heart- Slight edge to Carter because he avenged both of the losses he suffered in his career. 

Starocci had a great year and is really impressive, but his quality of competition this year was not as good as what Parris faced. 

Parris beat (by NCAA seeds and scanning through trackwrestling brackets) the No. 2, No. 3 (3x), No. 4 (2x), No. 7, No. 9 (2x), No. 11 (2x), No. 17 (2x), No. 18, No. 20, No. 23 (2x), No. 29, No. 31, and No. 32. 

• Nine of his matches this year were against top-10 NCAA seeds.
• Twenty matches were against NCAA Qualifiers.
• He beat five of the seven other placers at his weight a combined 10 times. 

Starocci, by comparison, be the No. 2 (2x), No. 4, No. 6, No. 8 (2x), No. 11, No. 12, No. 17 (2x), No. 19, No. 20, No. 30, No. 31, No. 33 (2x)

• Six matches against top-10 NCAA seeds
• 16 matches against NCAA qualifiers
• He won five matches against the seven other placers. 

Also, the sportsmanship is not a push for the DJ Washington match alone. Parris clears there. 

Heart is pretty subjective, but Starocci definitely didn't be Kemerer this year, if that's what you're implying. 

The only true edge Carter has is past NCAA credentials, if you ignore the Junior World title Parris won.  

 

I'd hear an argument for Starocci to win the Hodge, but I think it should go to Parris. 

If you go down the list:

1. push, both unbeaten

2. Parris pinned 11 guys this year, Starocci pinned five. This one isn't close.

3. Assuming your percentages are correct, Starocci has the edge, but...Parris wrestled nine more matches against better opponents and have more than double the falls. This is a push, honestly. 

4. Starocci has better NCAA finishes. 

5. Parris. 

6. Parris

7. This is a useless, subjective criteria. Parris got healthy and mauled his opponents in the NCAA Tournament. Call this a push.

 

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

This year Parris is the 1st horse in the race and is out in front.

No amount of posting here will change that.

[Theo Brixton]

1 hour ago, buckshot said:

The only other real candidate is Parris but let's look at the criteria:

1. Record- both are undefeated

2. Number of Pins- Parris gets this but the best guy he pinned was Tinker from Cal Poly. He's also the only guy who qualified for Nationals that he pinned and he went 0-2. Starocci pinned three guys who qualified for Nationals and they all won matches there including pinning the 2nd place finisher

3. Dominance- Carter's bonus percentage was 67% and Parris' was 64%

4. Past Credentials- Hmmm, Carter has gone 1-1-1 while Parris went DNP-2-5-1. Carter's career record is 80-2, Parris' is 126-18. Carter also ended the season with the longest winning streak in the country.

5. Quality of competition- This is a push for this season but Starocci has beaten an NCAA champ in his career while Parris has never done it

6. Sportsmanship- Push

7. Heart- Slight edge to Carter because he avenged both of the losses he suffered in his career. 

You forgot the last and most important category:

8. Big Balls

Starocci wins in a land slide.