Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Thanks to @CraigOR for the brackets.... some interesting seeds that I did not expect. https://static.pac-12.com/sports/wrestling/championships/2023 Pac 12 Championship brackets.pdf Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigOR Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 My finals pairings look like this: 25 Courtney v Kaylor 33 McGee v Shaner 41 Belton v Saenz 49 Parco v Demas 57 Cardenas v Wick 65 Olguin v Griffith 74 Olmos v Valencia 84 Munoz v Priest 97 Truax v Harvey 285 Schultz v Tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Schedule and how to watch? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, ionel said: Schedule and how to watch? First session matchups begin at 10:00 am PT from Maples Pavilion, while the second session will begin at 4:45pm PT. Both sessions will be available via Stanford's live stream platforms (Mat 1 and Mat 2) and on Pac-12.com. Championship finals will be broadcasted on Pac-12 Network and the Pac-12 Now App, with coverage beginning at 6:00 pm PT. For more information, click here. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearFall Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, CraigOR said: My finals pairings look like this: 25 Courtney v Kaylor 33 McGee v Shaner 41 Belton v Saenz 49 Parco v Demas 57 Cardenas v Wick 65 Olguin v Griffith 74 Olmos v Valencia 84 Munoz v Priest 97 Truax v Harvey 285 Schultz v Tinker My guesses would be the following: 125 - Courtney vs Provo 133 - McGee vs Shaner 141 - Belton vs. Ysaguirre 149 - Parco vs Abas 157 - Cardenas vs Wick 165 - Griffith vs Olguin 174 - Valencia vs Olmos 184 - Munoz vs Montalvo 197 - Truax vs Harvey 285 - Schultz vs Tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Idaho said: First session matchups begin at 10:00 am PT from Maples Pavilion, while the second session will begin at 4:45pm PT. Both sessions will be available via Stanford's live stream platforms (Mat 1 and Mat 2) and on Pac-12.com. Championship finals will be broadcasted on Pac-12 Network and the Pac-12 Now App, with coverage beginning at 6:00 pm PT. For more information, click here. ahh ... date/day of week? Am assuming Stanford live stream available to all but P12N will require subscription. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearFall Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Sunday - and yes Stanford live stream is available to all. PAC 12 networks (all 7 of them) are available on Vidgo for $60 / month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, NearFall said: Sunday - and yes Stanford live stream is available to all. PAC 12 networks (all 7 of them) are available on Vidgo for $60 / month. Its too bad P12 isn't on Fri. If already planning and paid to watch B10 & B12 who wants to pay another $60 and try to squeeze in the P12? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearFall Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Surprising to see Valencia as the # 3 seed behind Eischens and Olmos when Valencia beat both of them this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularStalling Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Ysaguirre being the replacement for Vasquez is interesting. I think it’s an indicator that they don’t think he can make 133 going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, NearFall said: Surprising to see Valencia as the # 3 seed behind Eischens and Olmos when Valencia beat both of them this season. Valencia did not earn an allocation - Wrestlers who earned allocations are seeded first then those who did not. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: Ysaguirre being the replacement for Vasquez is interesting. I think it’s an indicator that they don’t think he can make 133 going forward. I think it's more of an indication that they needed their best guy to fill in at 141 for the Pac-12. He wasn't going to take McGee's place afterall. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearFall Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 34 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: Ysaguirre being the replacement for Vasquez is interesting. I think it’s an indicator that they don’t think he can make 133 going forward. I have to agree with Idaho on this one. Ysaguirre replacing Vasquez makes total sense if Vasquez is not able to compete. It has nothing to do with his ability to get down to 133 lbs. After all Ysaguirre nearly majored the # 4 ranked guy in the country at 141 lbs just 10 days ago when ASU wrestled vs Nebraska. And as Idaho correctly points out Ysaguirre is not going to replace McGee at 133 lbs. Why would ASU even consider that? Why would anyone consider that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularStalling Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, Idaho said: I think it's more of an indication that they needed their best guy to fill in at 141 for the Pac-12. He wasn't going to take McGee's place afterall. You really think they’d burn a year of eligibility if there was a chance he’d be their guy of the future at 133? It has nothing to do with McGee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularStalling Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, NearFall said: I have to agree with Idaho on this one. Ysaguirre replacing Vasquez makes total sense if Vasquez is not able to compete. It has nothing to do with his ability to get down to 133 lbs. After all Ysaguirre nearly majored the # 4 ranked guy in the country at 141 lbs just 10 days ago when ASU wrestled vs Nebraska. And as Idaho correctly points out Ysaguirre is not going to replace McGee at 133 lbs. Why would ASU even consider that? Why would anyone consider that? It has nothing to do with McGee. If they felt he was their starter of the future at 133, I don’t think they’d burn a year. He’s 6-5 with zero chance of a WC at a one qualifier 141. If they felt like he was a cornerstone they wouldn’t be doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripnsweep Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I think they knew something was up with Vasquez and this was their backup plan in case he was too injured. They probably have had an idea about this for a month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: You really think they’d burn a year of eligibility if there was a chance he’d be their guy of the future at 133? It has nothing to do with McGee. Here is what you wrote: I think it’s an indicator that they don’t think he can make 133 going forward Why would that be an indicator? Because they are burning his redshirt? They are simply using him at 141 because of the Vasquez injury. They can't use him at 133 this year obviously - but that doesn't mean that he can't make 133 next year. The options were to get Ramos down to 141 when he's been at 149 or put Chlebove up to 141 from where he had been at 133. I am not sure what the situation was with those two guys - but there are others on here like @SunDevilthat know more about the program. Separate from the reasoning behind it, I agree and personally I think they should have went with Chlebove in order to save Ysa's redshirt, but that's the choice they made. And who is to say that Ysa didn't want to burn his shirt and wrestle? 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm Up Champ Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, CraigOR said: My finals pairings look like this: 25 Courtney v Kaylor 33 McGee v Shaner 41 Belton v Saenz 49 Parco v Demas 57 Cardenas v Wick 65 Olguin v Griffith 74 Olmos v Valencia 84 Munoz v Priest 97 Truax v Harvey 285 Schultz v Tinker I like the looks of this. Beavs in the finals at 7 of the 10 weights. Fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearFall Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 What hasn't been mentioned here in this is Arizona State is trying to win their 4th straight PAC 12 championship. And they are trying to do that without Jacori Teemer, Kordell Norfleet and Jesse Vasquez. Having Yasguire at 141 lbs gives ASU a better shot at trying to accomplish that goal. Burning Ysaguirre's RS is irrelevant as nothing is being burned. He will still have a redshirt year to use. With Yasquire in the lineup ASU could win as many as 6 weight classes at the PAC 12 tournament - just as they did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Was Daniel Cardenas injured? Good to him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: Was Daniel Cardenas injured? Good to him back. He was out for a bit, but returned against wOSU. He beat Crosby in a crazy match 17-13. He looked a little out of shape. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunDevil Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Idaho said: Here is what you wrote: I think it’s an indicator that they don’t think he can make 133 going forward Why would that be an indicator? Because they are burning his redshirt? They are simply using him at 141 because of the Vasquez injury. They can't use him at 133 this year obviously - but that doesn't mean that he can't make 133 next year. The options were to get Ramos down to 141 when he's been at 149 or put Chlebove up to 141 from where he had been at 133. I am not sure what the situation was with those two guys - but there are others on here like @SunDevilthat know more about the program. Separate from the reasoning behind it, I agree and personally I think they should have went with Chlebove in order to save Ysa's redshirt, but that's the choice they made. And who is to say that Ysa didn't want to burn his shirt and wrestle? Zeke is the coach. He has to make the final call on these decisions. A lot of bad decisions from Zeke as of late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripnsweep Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 58 minutes ago, SunDevil said: Zeke is the coach. He has to make the final call on these decisions. A lot of bad decisions from Zeke as of late. I don't think they had any other choice. They are getting Chlebove ready to take over at 33 next year for McGee. Figs has 25 nailed down. Vasquez might have just had too many injury issues to overcome or he might need a full year to be healthy. Unless everybody moves up at least somebody is sitting next year between Vasquez, Ysa, Ramos, and Parco. Good problem to have I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularStalling Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 hours ago, SunDevil said: Zeke is the coach. He has to make the final call on these decisions. A lot of bad decisions from Zeke as of late. Any idea if there was a wrestle off between Courtney/Figs? Or was this just a Zeke decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: Any idea if there was a wrestle off between Courtney/Figs? Or was this just a Zeke decision? Zekke was going to have a wrestle off but Bonno wouldn't sign off. 1 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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