LJB Posted September 14 Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, SweetButteryLou said: True.. he was trying to get a rise out of you and you didn’t fall for it but it’s still a weak thing to do .. I remember back in the day when kids would be like “ you’re mom “ or “ you’re sister “ … I’d be like my sister is dead man … I don’t have a sister but I’d say that anyway to make them feel like a jerk … you don’t start talking about a guys fam .. especially when the question was just about why is Greco good because i honestly don’t know and I think your opinions provide good value here ( most of the time) it is 100% "YO MAMA!!!" on the playground during 3rd grade recess... it holds the exact same weight and shows the exact same mentality... but, what do you expect on a forum where every one can sign up and hide behind a screen name and are 100% convinced they deserve a voice? this is the world we live in... 1
Hammerlock3 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 58 minutes ago, LJB said: stay on topic, nerd... touched a nerve.... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
LJB Posted September 14 Posted September 14 18 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: touched a nerve.... You are just simple enough to think that…
RAFWiki Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, LJB said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DdRq7_cx3Qx/?stkn=Y3Y1MHZjZGw3YjRu felt topical… Did you really just link to a guy comparing schools eliminating Greco to Hitler exterminating the jews? Get help, my guy Edited September 15 by RAFWiki .
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, RAFWiki said: Did you really just link to a guy comparing schools eliminating Greco to Hitler exterminating the jews? Get help, my guy Lucas did not mention anything about one school… you clearly have no control over your emotions… perhaps you should get on some medication? 1
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 I should add there was no mention of the holocaust either…
dragit Posted September 15 Posted September 15 36 minutes ago, LJB said: I should add there was no mention of the holocaust either… When you're right, you're right. But in your own inimitable way. Your shared video only compared people he disagreed with with Hitler, Stalin, and extermination. Very appropriate post. Stay classy. 1
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 minute ago, dragit said: When you're right, you're right. But in your own inimitable way. Your shared video only compared people he disagreed with with Hitler, Stalin, and extermination. Very appropriate post. Stay classy. As always, the point he was making is lost among the usual suspects… seriously, nerds… do not ever change!!!
dragit Posted September 15 Posted September 15 5 minutes ago, LJB said: As always, the point he was making is lost among the usual suspects… seriously, nerds… do not ever change!!! As always, indeed. You are functioning on a plane that the rest of us can barely glimpse. Thankfully.
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 minute ago, dragit said: As always, indeed. You are functioning on a plane that the rest of us can barely glimpse. Thankfully. Well, I definitely do not just make up shit like has been done on multiple occasions in this thread… seriously, nerds… do not ever change!!!
SweetButteryLou Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 37 minutes ago, LJB said: 41 minutes ago, dragit said: Well, I definitely do not just make up shit like has been done on multiple occasions in this thread… LJB I swear to God man I did not mean for this thread to turn into a couple dudes just trying to break your balls this thread has been taken over it was a serious questch about Greco … which nobody … you included btw … has answered… if Greco is the real deal and folk / free is girly man sport why do no Greco guys become rich fighting in mma but free/ folk guys do ? If I can grab your legs … and you’re not allowed to grab my legs … then by definition I know way more shit than you
SweetButteryLou Posted September 15 Author Posted September 15 Corrected the one dude talked about how you need to be engaged the entire time that was the only logical response in this entire thread and something I never thought about 2
1032004 Posted September 15 Posted September 15 55 minutes ago, SweetButteryLou said: LJB I swear to God man I did not mean for this thread to turn into a couple dudes just trying to break your balls this thread has been taken over it was a serious questch about Greco … which nobody … you included btw … has answered… if Greco is the real deal and folk / free is girly man sport why do no Greco guys become rich fighting in mma but free/ folk guys do ? If I can grab your legs … and you’re not allowed to grab my legs … then by definition I know way more shit than you It’s a fair question… 1
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, SweetButteryLou said: LJB I swear to God man I did not mean for this thread to turn into a couple dudes just trying to break your balls this thread has been taken over it was a serious questch about Greco … which nobody … you included btw … has answered… if Greco is the real deal and folk / free is girly man sport why do no Greco guys become rich fighting in mma but free/ folk guys do ? If I can grab your legs … and you’re not allowed to grab my legs … then by definition I know way more shit than you No worries, brother… If you had asked me directly I would have answered… I was just sitting back and getting ready for the usual suspects to show their ass over and over again and they did not disappoint… tomorrow when I’m in front of a keyboard I will give you a direct answer… 1
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 15 Posted September 15 13 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: Has anyone ever met a self-proclaimed "greco guy" with a good personality? Matt Ghaffari, Chael Sonnen, Randy Couture were all very nice when I met them. Ghaffari more outgoing than Couture but both were pretty good guys in the time I hung out with them. I'd name a few more, but might "out" myself and choose not to at the moment. I do get a mild kick out of the fact that LJB implies I am "average" or whatever bc I might have an opinion that he disagrees with. One of the reasons why I think it is funny, is that I would easily get off the couch and tech him at Greco in any rule set that has been in existence since 1988. I wasn't "great," but I could score on top guys in a better era for the US than 2026 and I don't think I'd have a problem hitting him in a sag bodylock followed by a couple guts. I genuinely appreciate what he offers to the forum, but the tough guy act is silly.
1032004 Posted September 15 Posted September 15 17 hours ago, SweetButteryLou said: Obviously he’s very knowledgeable about wrestling and has a ton of connections in the sport … but I’ve never heard him explain the reason why he thinks Greco is so much better when you literally can do everything you can Greco do in freestyle..plus attack the lower half of the body… why does he think “ leg grabbers” are in a girl sport ? Does anyone have any answer to this that he’s explained before … now I am admittedly biased but why does he think Greco dudes are so much tougher ? And why don’t Greco guys dominate mma for then like free/ folk style guys do ? I don’t have an answer based on the actual techniques involved, but I imagine one possible answer could be the ole “it’s the most popular style in most other countries!”
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Matt Ghaffari, Chael Sonnen, Randy Couture were all very nice when I met them. Ghaffari more outgoing than Couture but both were pretty good guys in the time I hung out with them. I'd name a few more, but might "out" myself and choose not to at the moment. I do get a mild kick out of the fact that LJB implies I am "average" or whatever bc I might have an opinion that he disagrees with. One of the reasons why I think it is funny, is that I would easily get off the couch and tech him at Greco in any rule set that has been in existence since 1988. I wasn't "great," but I could score on top guys in a better era for the US than 2026 and I don't think I'd have a problem hitting him in a sag bodylock followed by a couple guts. I genuinely appreciate what he offers to the forum, but the tough guy act is silly. it is not a "tough guy" act... the fact your ego sees it as that is on you, not me... you saying you could sag body lock and gut me because you wrestled 30 years ago is akin to me saying i could spot you half a lap lead in motorsport and i would still beat you to the finish line... or i would absolutely murder you in a spelling contest... talk on the internet means nothing particularly when you hide behind anonymity...
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 this thread is a perfect example of anonymous forum nerds doing what they do as evidenced by only one person actually trying to answer the original question posed... i should also add there was another in his own way that added a comment as well... the rest just did not even try and even went as far as to absolutely make up total bullshit just to try and be clever... this is the internet to a tee...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 15 Posted September 15 17 minutes ago, LJB said: it is not a "tough guy" act... the fact your ego sees it as that is on you, not me... you saying you could sag body lock and gut me because you wrestled 30 years ago is akin to me saying i could spot you half a lap lead in motorsport and i would still beat you to the finish line... or i would absolutely murder you in a spelling contest... talk on the internet means nothing particularly when you hide behind anonymity... I would easily defeat you in a spelling bee, I would tech you in Greco. You would easily defeat me in motocross, and I would maybe end up hospitalized. But this isn't a BMX forum.
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 i road raced motorcycles for a long time... it was the only thing i ever found in my life that i was truly passionate about... the only thing that made everything else bearable... i just assumed that my kids would race when they were of age... that means 5 in my world... i spent 5 years trying to make max and had to jump through a ridiculous amount of hoops to do the most natural thing on the planet... i ended up selling 6 motorcycles and adding another 14k in cash just to do what should be the cheapest thing about kids and that is making them... my own personal upbringing taught me that you need to keep kids, particularly young boys, engaged in some activity and without support they could turn to other things that are not healthy... max loved me pushing him around on the PW in the backyard right up until i tried to get him to do it on his own and he had absolutely no interest after that... this like 3-4 years old... so we started looking into the traditional stick and ball sports because that is all i knew... they were awful mostly for the reason the nerds here try and attribute to me (which i just giggle about endlessly)... max brought home a flyer when he was 6 for Little Chiefs Wrestling club... my only real exposure to wrestling was through years of watching fighting and i learned a little bit about wrestling... max had a broken arm so he did not start actually getting on the mat till a month or so after everyone else was in the room... to show you how green i was, his first tournament was tulsa nationals just because i did not know any better... i asked the coaches should he wrestle and they were like yeah why not... it was ugly... the difference between a 6 year old that knew nothing and a 6 year old that had been wrestling for 2 years is stark and i just did not any better... otto went into the room at the same time but most practices ended up with him sitting in Coach Matt's lap while the rest were running... whatever... i absolutely fell in love with wrestling... like it all just made sense to me... at the end of the season max had wrestled a few tourneys and i think Otto one and i was scared to death i thought neither would be interested in signing up again... i asked max after the last practice if he thought he would want to do it again next season and the look he gave me like i was the biggest idiot in the world pleased to me no end... fast forward 2 years and max had still not won a match while otto had ran house house on the novice division to the point that parents were mad at me that i was still letting him wrestle in it... my thoughts were let him have a year where he is the one... he is 6... otto had also started racing by then and was truly fast... he got it and he loved it... he was such a natural that owners of teams that were running in the AMA at the time were talking with me about him... we were still doing the other sports in the off season until someone told me about freestyle... you boys want to do that? of course dummy... so we did... we would go to 3 different clubs a week to get a weeks worth of practice and then when the first tourney came around max won finally won a wrestling match after 2-1/2 years against a kid who had throttled him repeatedly every time they wrestled in folk because the kid could not just back up... the exposure rules allowed max to be more creative with scoring... he did what the kids coined the fork lift for 4 and that was it for me... otto excelled in free for the same reasons... he would get so frustrated wrestling folk because you could not stop him from being over aggressive and kids would just back up and back up and wait for a bad shot... they could not do that in free... there were just a few of us that showed to every tourney every weekend and more relationships were formed... the next season i heard about Team Big ran by Derek fix... Daton was starting to make a name for himself nationally and walking into that room was a breath of fresh air... listening to Derek talk about what wrestling really was would make me want to put on a singlet... i had never been around the amount of talent before that was in that room 4 nights week and they took wrestling seriously... the boys thrived and loved it... i loved it... they started to show the first glimpses of being able to legitimately do something in the sport... we started traveling... max placed at kids nationals which was huge for him... otto was a blood round kid... we are talking 9 and 7 about now... otto was still racing on top of wrestling and making everyone else in his age look positively pedestrian... one tourney Carter Young's mother begged us to sign up for greco... i knew nothing about it other then the obvious... the boys knew nothing about it other than the obvious... the only other kid that had signed up for greco was a poor kid who had never wrestled before and just happened to be otto's weight... the end result was otto very gingerly teched his kid... it was very sweet how he treated him... even as a little kid otto knew what was going on just treated this poor kid extremely nicely on the mat... Max went from losing to Carter 3Xs a weekend to losing to him 6Xs a weekend... but, it was revelation for me... the rule set... the way you had to wrestle... you were forced to stand there and figure it out, i immediately fell in love with it... Otto did as well... Max was still not completely sold but he loved wrestling and competing... somewhere during this timeframe me and the boys had gone to a high school dual and i was horrified at the level of wrestling... both the boys were already better than almost all of these HS kids technically and it made me start viewing the sport differently... at around the same time otto had started racing big tracks and murdering everyone... at the time the only kid ever to be DQ'd in Junior Motard for an "unsafe pass" after setting the track record by over 3 seconds on a clapped out KLX110... it was starting to get to a point where decisions were going to need to be made as to what i could financially afford and at what level of racing... then i fell asleep going to texas world at about 1AM with otto asleep in the back... lost a trailer and 3 race bikes... took out a semi and a dually hauling a 24' trailer... the poor girl driving the dually only saw that she hit a motorcycle and she thought she had killed someone... it got stuck under her differential and she drug it throwing sparks for couple of hundred yards while another tank exploded after a semi hit a different bike and took out its front wheel... and i had already got the vehicle stopped and realized what had happened and was already running down the middle of the highway looking for the trailer and the bikes when apocalypse now literally happened on the highway... it was quite the spectacle... a month later a got a job offer in CO and my boss was living in the same town that SOT was based out of... that club was wild and totally focused on the olympic styles which we were getting increasingly into... the olympics had already started to be talked about... this was all the same time that they were seriously considering removing wrestling from the olympics and FILA was disbanded... i asked the boy do you want to go all in on wrestling and they both agreed they wanted to... sold my house in literally 48hours and we moved... that was the moment... that is a long drawn out story about our family's wrestling roots... TLDR i get it... 2
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 31 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I would easily defeat you in a spelling bee, I would tech you in Greco. You would easily defeat me in motocross, and I would maybe end up hospitalized. But this isn't a BMX forum. your "tough guy" act means nothing hiding behind a screen name...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 15 Posted September 15 5 minutes ago, LJB said: your "tough guy" act means nothing hiding behind a screen name... Your tough guy act is solely based on the fact that you raised two freaking studs!
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 SOT heavily pushed the olympic styles and actual greco technique was introduced... otto was 100% all in and wanted to quit folk immediately as a 10 year old... backing up backing up backing up... running to the edge for safety... it was incredibly frustrating to him... i agreed, but, he was just too small in this country to specialize becaus ther simply wasn't enough greco to do it year round... i dove into the sport because it was simply the truest expression left at what wrestling started as... we had Lindland in our room showing technique... Provisor was a friend of the club and was in all the time... i just connected with the greco guys way more than anyone else... none of them fit into the little box this society just can not stand if you stray out of... they are all a little off and that is the way i like people i associate with... none of this talk about wrestling to go to college... bleh i went to college... both of my parents had degrees... i was not impressed with what the system had/has become... i always preached to the meatheads do not wrestle because you think you will get a scholarship... with what i spend on you guys traveling all over the country i could easily not spend and any college you wanted to go to would be easily paid for... wrestle because you love it... nothing more... this sport is too demanding to do it because you do not love it... all you nerds always love to lump me into some typical "little league" mentality and it just could not be further from the truth... i came from a sport where we buried people... in 2010 we buried 4 kids under the age of 16 in this country and we all had some connection to them... losing a wrestling macth meant nothing to me... but effort and passion is everything... you do your part and i will literally do everything in my power to make sure i never have say you can't go to this tourney or that trip overseas is just not in the budget... whatever... lots of things happened... none of them worth bringing up on a public forum... fast forward to both boys having made 12 world teams... both having international senior gold medals... and both still fully committed to LA in 2028... personally, i already won... 2
LJB Posted September 15 Posted September 15 8 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Your tough guy act is solely based on the fact that you raised two freaking studs! again, an average mentality can only see that... i truly do not blame you personally... you just simply can not help it... 1
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 15 Posted September 15 3 minutes ago, LJB said: again, an average mentality can only see that... i truly do not blame you personally... you just simply can not help it...
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