LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Is that the entirety of what you know about Braunagel? 100% can answer yes to this...
Bulldozer Without Brakes Posted September 5 Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Is that the entirety of what you know about Braunagel? Yes, I confess my knowledge of mediocre American 87kg greco roman wrestlers who rarely compete internationally is limited
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 there was a reason i called out this match several times in the lead up to today...
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 one match that you get to prepare exclusively for for an extended amount of time... this shit is not exactly rocket science...
JMill Posted September 5 Posted September 5 Weird… haven’t multiple threads devolved into arguments about how only mediocre wrestlers in the US go the Greco route because they can’t beat the better wrestlers who go the freestyle route? Now a mediocre Greco wrestler took the greatest freestyle wrestler of all time to the brink… 1
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 there are some lessons to be learned here today... i will not hold my breath waiting for the those lessons to actually sink in and take hold... 1
MPhillips Posted September 5 Posted September 5 12 minutes ago, Bulldozer Without Brakes said: Yes, I confess my knowledge of mediocre American 87kg greco roman wrestlers who rarely compete internationally is limited So you don't know anything about college wrestling either? .
MPhillips Posted September 5 Posted September 5 10 minutes ago, LJB said: this shit is not exactly rocket science... Depends on the dummies involved. .
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 Just now, MPhillips said: Depends on the dummies involved. yes it does...
Bulldozer Without Brakes Posted September 5 Posted September 5 3 minutes ago, MPhillips said: So you don't know anything about college wrestling either? your mind is going to be blown when you realise that non-Americans exist and care about American college wrestling about as much as you care about the Iranian wrestling league or Takhti Cup.
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 5X qualifier is not a bum... i sometimes have these discussions about what is harder, winning a D1 National Title or winning and International world gold... i will always have a hard time relenting that any "national" title is "harder" than a "world" title... but... what i will readily admit is that there are several "styles" of wrestling that can win a D1 title because the rule set is designed that way... not so much internationally... greco is not even a discussion for many of the same reasons...
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 1 minute ago, Bulldozer Without Brakes said: your mind is going to be blown when you realise that non-Americans exist and care about American college wrestling about as much as you care about the Iranian wrestling league or Takhti Cup. you are barking up the wrong tree here, sparky...
MPhillips Posted September 5 Posted September 5 39 minutes ago, Bulldozer Without Brakes said: as much as you care about the Iranian wrestling league or Takhti Cup. I'm tuned in brother. I love wrestling. All of it. Iranian wrestling is right up there with American wrestling in my experience (all styles). You believe only Iranians watch your wrestlers and read and comment in the Iranian forums that go back years and years. Short sighted indeed. You somehow think because I'm American I have tunnel vision for American wrestlers only. I'm a fan of wrestling, not nationalities. You comprehend this or you don't. I'm not interested in convincing you and I've explained more than I should have. Carry on. 1 .
1032004 Posted September 5 Posted September 5 1 hour ago, JMill said: Weird… haven’t multiple threads devolved into arguments about how only mediocre wrestlers in the US go the Greco route because they can’t beat the better wrestlers who go the freestyle route? Now a mediocre Greco wrestler took the greatest freestyle wrestler of all time to the brink… Except, Braunagel is a “mediocre (relatively speaking) wrestler in the US that went the Greco route because they can’t beat the better wrestlers who go the freestyle route.” I was always taught you can’t make much of close losses…
LJB Posted September 5 Posted September 5 1 minute ago, 1032004 said: Except, Braunagel is a “mediocre (relatively speaking) wrestler in the US that went the Greco route because they can’t beat the better wrestlers who go the freestyle route.” I was always taught you can’t make much of close losses… you did not even watch the match... why are you commenting???
MPhillips Posted September 6 Posted September 6 44 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Except, Braunagel is a “mediocre (relatively speaking) wrestler in the US that went the Greco route because they can’t beat the better wrestlers who go the freestyle route.” I was always taught you can’t make much of close losses… Apologies for not recognizing, but who are you quoting? .
headshuck Posted September 6 Posted September 6 Late to the thread. Can someone save me some time and tell me how many pages I have to go back to find some discussion of today’s wrestling?
MPhillips Posted September 6 Posted September 6 9 minutes ago, headshuck said: Late to the thread. Can someone save me some time and tell me how many pages I have to go back to find some discussion of today’s wrestling? Other thread and double the pages. .
Bulldozer Without Brakes Posted September 6 Posted September 6 11 hours ago, MPhillips said: I'm tuned in brother. I love wrestling. All of it. Iranian wrestling is right up there with American wrestling in my experience (all styles). You believe only Iranians watch your wrestlers and read and comment in the Iranian forums that go back years and years. Short sighted indeed. You somehow think because I'm American I have tunnel vision for American wrestlers only. I'm a fan of wrestling, not nationalities. You comprehend this or you don't. I'm not interested in convincing you and I've explained more than I should have. Carry on. I am sure you appreciate Iranian wrestling but the point remains non-Americans will not be aware of the American college wrestling system. Frankly, non-American wrestling fans do not care or know much about NCAA titles and the like. Just like non-Iranian fans probably don't know much about the Takhti Cup etc. 1
The Kid Posted September 6 Posted September 6 44 minutes ago, Bulldozer Without Brakes said: I am sure you appreciate Iranian wrestling but the point remains non-Americans will not be aware of the American college wrestling system. Frankly, non-American wrestling fans do not care or know much about NCAA titles and the like. Just like non-Iranian fans probably don't know much about the Takhti Cup etc. American wrestling fans typically think ncaa's are the pinnacle of the sport.
RAFWiki Posted September 6 Author Posted September 6 1 hour ago, The Kid said: American wrestling fans typically think ncaa's are the pinnacle of the sport. And then when the same NCAA champions make Worlds that same year and fail to place, there's crickets from the peanut gallery I wonder who sold Ono on the idea that wasting 2 years of his career training folkstyle was a good idea .
JMill Posted September 6 Posted September 6 3 hours ago, RAFWiki said: And then when the same NCAA champions make Worlds that same year and fail to place, there's crickets from the peanut gallery I wonder who sold Ono on the idea that wasting 2 years of his career training folkstyle was a good idea Do you mean learning how to pretend to wrestle on the mat while coaches from both sides yell the other guy is stalling won’t help his freestyle career?
JMill Posted September 6 Posted September 6 5 hours ago, The Kid said: American wrestling fans typically think ncaa's are the pinnacle of the sport. It’s the pinnacle of youth wrestling… it’s sort of like celebrating a kid “graduating” from eighth grade. 1
RAFWiki Posted September 6 Author Posted September 6 6 minutes ago, JMill said: Do you mean learning how to pretend to wrestle on the mat while coaches from both sides yell the other guy is stalling won’t help his freestyle career? All I can think of is maybe Ono thought enrolling at Penn State and doing RAF on the side was a way to secure his visa for the 2028 Olympics I look at what Burroughs is doing at his academy and kind of shake my head - Ono would be so much better off just leaving Penn State and training with Burroughs/Carr .
Bulldozer Without Brakes Posted September 6 Posted September 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Kid said: American wrestling fans typically think ncaa's are the pinnacle of the sport. Yep. To non-US fans the idea that a NCAA title (whatever that is) could be as valuable as a worlds title is insane. We just don't know much about the NCAA system or what it is and our focus is usually on international wrestling. Edited September 6 by Bulldozer Without Brakes
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