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I'm guessing that the university is waiting for an inquiry or inquiries, by the university, the police, and/or more news organizations, to be completed before it says anything or allows any of its employees to say anything. If the inquiries finish and disciplinary action is taken or a story written, then I'd expect statements in response. If they finish and nothing comes of it, not sure whether they'd respond. It's a tough situation. The likeability gap you mention between Starocci and Bartlett factors into it, but I think the thing that makes it really difficult is that it seems like the big drivers of this are Ms. Bartlett and Starocci, both of whom are at best are undignified and at worst toxic people. Mix that together and include sex issues in the equation and it's going to get very ugly. This topic thread is about Cael, and he's caught somewhere in the middle of all this. It's possible he acted by the book on everything he knew about but is hamstrung by university policy right now in terms of commenting. It's also possible that given his lack of enthusiasm for publicity he's happy to let one student paper story blow over without engaging. And it's also possible his program has become dysfunctional. Syd seems to be noxious and not someone I'd care to spend a minute with, let alone be associated with in any way (while recognizing that I simply do not understand a lot of what makes that generation tick), but it's people like that who are often the only ones who can blow the top off an organization that has gotten out of control. We really can't know based on the public record if that describes Penn State and Cael. His 4x champ has been popped twice for PEDs (please don't tell me that this NLWC athlete is not relevant to a discussion about the PSU coach, that's wrong for a lot of reasons) and his 5x champ seems to have been a renowned jerk and possibly a criminal. Not good looks but there's not enough info to know if those are the tips of two massive icebergs that implicate program-wide issues, or just a couple of floating hazards without much below them.

2 time conference champ

I think there are 2 definitions of impossible. Mathematical and practical. I agree if we took the mathematical definition ( ie a non zero chance) then I would agree it is not impossible.

I suppose if a law or part of a law is unconstitutional, then the courts should intervene. But it would be weird to say not spending money is unconstitutional and the money must be spent, unless some law dictates the expenditure. mspart

My mind went straight to Hayden Hidlay. Young guy who is a student of the sport and speaks really well

I will have to change my examination of whether white conservatives are the biggest threat. We had a shooting in Ballard here where a house was shot up and and Trump posters in the window and a Confederate flag. I wonder who shot that house up. A white conservative if I am to believe that thread on this forum. mspart

Just checked, looks like it's up and running for everybody.

Oh, I must have been mistaken by your starting a thread titled "we didn't kill enough Indians" and then attributing said comment to a group of people without even mentioning the person who actually said it. My bad.

Are you going to take another libelous shot? You’re getting close, and you’ve proven it’s not beyond you.

To be fair, most people have probably never even heard of Southern Oregon University

Why did it take Caitlyn Davis so long to speak up? Why did a national championship winning coach resign in the middle of the night and skip town? It's also hard for colleges because do they want to admit they hired somebody like that and damage their reputation, not just for wrestling, but for everything? I bet that less than half the people who post here couldn't tell us that coach's name without reading about it or looking it up. But SOU protected their brand. So that's why things like this happen.

But we should, shouldn't we? I want subpoena powers and I want them now. Where do I go? mspart

the zohan wants to start up govt run grocery stores hmm we are all assigned a place to shop sounds like the wonderful govt run education system

That's not the point. The point is the racism and dislike of Natives. You don't have to say we didn't kill enough to show your dislike of them.

Pitt is the intriguing one to me on Melvin's list (assuming that's also Bo's list). Since my fan bias didn't make the cut, I wouldn't hate them all going there; would still be the face of the ACC as some mentioned

I'm missing the part of the quote that says 'didn't kill enough'

oh there it is i wondered what your real problem was

In my revisiting my thread on downsizing, I couldn't help but wonder if me mentioning the passing of my wife is what you meant by this comment, since you took such issue with me, by god daring to, mention a weekend get away with a lady. Would this be accurate?

Ok, I guess I misunderstood. But how would that apply to women’s coaches who most people have no clue who they are?

Trump isn't exactly a fan of them either. "In 2000, he and Donald Trump went after an Indian casino in upstate New York that was stealing business from (aka competing with) Trump's casino in Atlantic City. So they set up a fake "family values" group and ran a series of racist ads against Native Americans, calling the Mohawk tribe a bunch of crooks by falsely linking them to organized crime. Donny and Roger's punishment? A $250,000 fine."

Oh look it's somebody who has an opinion that doesn't matter. How nice.

world migrants haven't killed enough americans

Maybe the "advice on staying safe online among internet creeps" thread would be a more appropriate place for such an opinion? Anyway...new development. Work started on the empty lot next door to clear and elevate this morning. We tried to buy the lot when we bought the house, but the purchasing agent on the last sale said it was owned by folks in Germany and they are not selling, intend to build. Looks like there are going to be some new European neighbors. May factor into these decisions, old dudes in speedos will take away from the view a little bit.