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I assume the argument would start with pointing out that he had unbelievable support from his teammates and coaches. Sort of the opposite of how Walter Johnson would be regarded if he hadn't played for the senators. in jordans defence, his importance isn't inflated heavily by what I referred to as cultural significance. By comparison Muhammad Ali was a great athlete whose remains an icon based on his time and place in history.

your opinion implies a lot of important questions about what "greatest athlete" means, as well as how much their cultural significance impacted this should matter, as well as how we should weigh cultural significance today vs when they were active.

and brooks!

someone at Flo is spitting mad you beat them to "The Taylor Effect".

derek moore?

The answer to this question is that when Brooks intertwined his faith with his obvious disdain for taylor, he took it from a meme which wasn't particularly interesting to any who was reasonably intelligent, to something that's weird, utilitarian and not very wholesome.

oh thanks

ok who

Can someone mention some guys who weren't state champs or were underwhelming in high school but won NCAAs?

are you implying this is an achievement? I don't know the rules but it strikes me as a way to grease in a coach under the volunteer assistant.

the one that aren't funny should just be translated: "I'm scared Lee wins and keeps wrestling"

found an alternative

i think the solution that makes the most sense is everyone having that avatar.

this isn't related to the topic because its a general fan comment and not related to conduct on this forum, but once I was sitting with the press people matside at the Iowa OSU meet in carver, and i was amazed at the things people would yell at john smith...it was all the gross things you would think, plus insult along of the lines of "you were a joke when you competed". I was impressed that he never even shot a dirty look because you'd have thought there was a million dollar bounty on one.

he might not know what he is talking about but it takes him a really long time to say it

I stay away, its like kryptonite to my patriarchal powers.

if he got a lesbian dance theory degree I'd be marginally less impressed than if he got a masters in business.

yeah, I'd be a lot less internally cynical about his career if he did.

Did Hall get a degree at Penn?

In my mind, the most annoying fans ever were the OSU fans on here when they seemed unbeatable in the early 2000s. It seemed like half the forum had orange in their name seemed to know even less wrestling than I did at the time...this might seem this way because everyone wasn't really used to verbal jousting on the internet at that point, so it felt clunky or stupid, or about a half dozen bias' specific to me. Iowa fans strike me as fine, but i was generally cheering for them. PSU fans are fine, except the ones who've let iowa into their heads for some reason and will grasp at any straw to imply Tom and Terry are terrible coaches and people.

for me of course

Well, thats not a bad car for some people, plus I'm sympathetic because I drive a tesla and can't turn around without some messianic figure jumping down my throat saying "Oh you think you're saving the world bro but you're not!" or "YOU WANT MY PRECIOUS TWITTER TO BE TAKEN OVER BY NAZIS!!" when I really just wanted the best car... I get the comparison but i don't put people who drive prius' on the same level as people who hate that people have faces.

I think its more plausible that they see it as an act of nobility via investment in the idea that the government can and should be empowered to solve all problems. They're making themselves a foil to us jerks who are greedy and don't care about oppressed people and such

You seriously think he was going to skip his best style and stop competing because his long term goal was to be a coach and not an athlete?

random thought....if mesenbrink wrestled on adderall he would be terrible.