Dogbone

28 is 3 years away, if the youth trend continues its entirely possible someone on the 28 team is only 15-17 years old currently.  

What about Cornell GOAT, Dake?  He couldn't make a World Team  for 5 years post college and has still has yet to make an Oly Final like Spencer just did.   No calls for Dake to leave or Koll be fired. 

It took Taylor (some might say the PSU GOAT at the time) 4 years to win Worlds after college and not one person suggested he should leave State College. 

Yet, Spencer (regardless of his GOAT status at Iowa) should definitely leave his current environment, where by all accounts he is happy, to train with guys who also did not win World titles at this point in their careers.  

I am not even an Iowa fan, but some of these takes fall into the Billy Madison meme, "we are all dumber for having listened to that" category. 

I want to apologize to this kid now for calling/confusing him with Kellen Russell.   Sorry, but if you are named  Kellen and go to Michigan, my old brain will get it mixed up.   

Spencer will be fine at Iowa.  Winning Worlds is hard.   

Only Spencer could win Oly Silver and then get criticized for not sweeping the next cycle like its an easy thing to do.

I don't think it matters who the football team is playing or how that environment was.  The fact that he went back two weeks in a row (and not to watch a bad football game) is a bigger deal.  

34 minutes ago, Idaho said:

This happens with almost every guy bumped up or planning to go down in order to be able to descend back down to their weight per the guidelines. If you are at 165 instead of 161 you will delay going back down by two weeks. 

His comment was in regard to the whole 2023-2024 season when Robb was at 157 and Taylor had no plans to go down to 157 that season.   The point being he was never a full 165 and probably not even a big 157 despite having dropped down a weight.  

While the charges may not appear that bad, I doubt Lehigh gives him a second chance.  Administrators prefer coaches don't get arrested and they are not going to take the risk on a non revenue sport.  

Great News!

Hamiti is going to get the first USA win.  This guy is tired. 

Blaze held is own, at least.  Just lost the 1 exchange that lead to the two laces, otherwise was fairly even. 

It seems posters are still starting new threads about it so I guess its not dead. 

1 minute ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

You have a plan?

Maybe if the questions were sequenced better then we might get an answer. 

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

 

The idea that Taylor had definitely decided he wasn't wrestling at Final X between his injury at BTS (May 6) and the start of the WTT (May 17) and intentionally withheld that information so that Nickal wouldn't give up his bye at 92kg and cut down always seemed really cynical to me.  Taylor barely had time to get some opinions and assess what he was capable of doing.   If Taylor actually did that and told Nickal that's what he did then Nickal has the right to be upset about it.

So you are really cynical of the only expiation that would give rise to Bo hating DT.    And yet, there is no way that Bo chose 92 that year because he thought he a had a better chance of beating Cox, who had only lost to once before as opposed to DT who had probably handed him numerous defeats in the room?   That boy knew what a healthy DT would do to him.  If he thought 86 was his best weight then he would of went there.  He was scared.  Otherwise he has no reason to be mad at DT about it. 

6 minutes ago, Rassling2 said:

Just for a moment imagine he’s found not guilty. Then what? 

Not guilty of what?   He hasn't been charged with anything.  The police are not pursuing the theft case anymore, no way is anyone charging a wrestler for a butt drag, bullying isn't a crime.   The only thing he can be charged with that has been publicly alleged is the rape and the victims haven't gone public so it seem unlikely they want a trial.  

19 hours ago, fishbane said:

I dunno, guys try and fit around teammates sometimes to their detriment.  You saw it with Starocci and Brooks in 2024 though Starocci ultimately failed to make 74kg and Taylor has said he regrets not moving up sooner.  Presumably he stayed at 165 because it was best for the lineup.  If Nickal thought he was the best in the world he might have also thought he could win at 97kg.  

Back in 2019-2021 I thought the Taylor-Nickal beef was manufactured by fans and pundits.  I thought Nickal was going up to 97kg regardless and there was nothing wrong with Taylor taking the wrestle-off extension.  This is the first I've seen Nickal seemingly acknowledge having a problem with it the wrestle-off extension.  Could be more regret for his own decision projected at Taylor.

World Teams is different than doing whats best for the team lineup.  Carter didn't try and go 74KG out of respect for Brooks.   Just like Nickal wasn't avoiding all NLWC guys, just Taylor it seems. 

If Nickal didn't go his best weight then that's on him.   He was probably just scared of a healthy DT and is mad that DT wasn't healthy but doesn't have the ability to be accountable for his own decision so he is lashing out at DT. 

7 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with most of what you said. But to call him "an abuser" is factually not true. That's my whole point. Is he an alleged abuser? Absolutely. But an abuser? No. 

Actually, neither you nor I know if its factual.  But it is entirely possible that he is factually an abuser and the fact won't change if he is ever accused of a crime or not.  

2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with everything you said here. But do we think one article is enough to form an opinion of him as "an abuser"? I don't think so. HE DOESN'T EVEN FACE ANY CHARGES YET.

The point is you are free to believe whatever you want and others can have a different opinion.  You don't set the standard. 

There are a lot of reasons a prosecutor may not file charges, a he said/he said case could be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt so they don't file charges or the alleged sexual victims not wanting to go public or have their names out there for the PSU mob to go after her. 

From the outside, it doesn't seem Carter is a great guy so I am not going to get worked up every time someone calls him an abuser even though he may never get charged with a crime.  You can obliviously take a different opinion.  

56 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

It doesn't mean he did it... there are plenty of tweakers and creepers who find most of the information we post here - which then gets reposted.  @headshuck is top notch.

Fair enough.  I guess I just wouldn't spend the time to look, even its its 60 seconds, or save the image of the tweet to repost it, so the act seems creepy to me, but my apologies to @headshuck if I went over the top.  

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Interesting.
 

Holy cow, you searched all of her tweets back to 2020!  Creep much.  

"Darn this women for not saying only wonderful things about PSU, I am going to search everything she has ever tweeted over the last 5+ years to find something she said when 17/18 years old and that will show the world who is undignified around here..."  

14 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

She had an onlyfans apparently, although she says she did not show any nudity.

So "at best" there are non nude picture of her on the internet??     Hopefully these dignified fans don't hear about what the rest of the PSU/NLWC have been up to this summer.  

2 hours ago, dragit said:

big drivers of this are Ms. Bartlett and Starocci, both of whom are at best are undignified and at worst toxic people.  

I don't follow PSU message boards so what makes anything Syd Bartlett has done as "undignified at best"?    From the outside she has just spoken up for what she sees as wrong.  What are the non PSU worshipers missing? 

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Isn’t the guy who beat Henson at Nebraska?

As is the 157 national champ.   

6 minutes ago, creek chub said:

Agree 100%. VT/ACC would be a great fit for him. His profile, both on and off the mat would likely skyrocket. In the B10 or 12, he’d be just another really good wrestler, 

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the ACC, it could help lift up one of those programs but he would get more exposure in the B1G.  

24 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Maybe they had the same chemistry teacher I had.

There is a reason you don't see a lot of chemist in the public relations field. 

I have never heard of the podcast so maybe it was an attempt to drive awareness, but it will be hard to take them seriously going forward.  

I am sure after the article came out, people in PSU's administration  followed up and asked more questions.  But even if the worst stuff is true,which I doubt, someone other than Cael would take the fall.