Bigbrog

Documentaries can absolutely be inaccurate.  I'd say the majority of them are directionally correct but often leave out certain things that are sealed in court documents and/or edit the content to create a certain narrative (see Making a Murderer).  Anyway, in this documentary I agree that it is pretty much correct and addresses the core issues that are factually correct...the doctor is a disgusting sexual predator, and the coaches/administration were reprehensible in their actions or lack thereof.

What I read is that Russia made the comments of how this could escalate to where this could destabilize the region to the point that nukes are an option....insert more grandstanding political speak...yada yada yada...then ended with the hope is that this will be settled diplomatically and urged all sides to come to the table.

44 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

@Bigbrog You really can't mention the bigger clown on the board and ignore Jimmy/Scout. 

I believe if you go back and read all my posts on this topic, I have been pretty clear that anyone who tries to put murders into a specific group other than the mentally ill whackadoodles group is using lazy thinking and...well...stupid.   Then RV as he does all the time escalated the lazy thinking to double down with his insane predictions and rhetoric that Christianity is responsible for millions of deaths...and I explained it was the ignorant mental gymnastics that people use to skew their viewpoints in order to use <insert any religion and/or reason here> as an excuse to commit murder...it is an excuse plain and simple.  People that murder are mentally ill whackadoodles...it's not because of a religion, not an inanimate object, not a political party, etc.  

I understand both sides like to look for a "bucket" to but people in when they commit a terrible crime like murder, and it is very common for the media to start rhetoric around this, but I stand by what I said and mean...if you kill someone you are a crazy whackadoodle...hard stop.

1 hour ago, red viking said:

Look at his Facebook page. Obvious that his religion was huge part of his identity and motives. 

This single post clearly represents your level of "thought" used into this, and any other topic on this board, and why you are one of the most ridiculous posters on here that no one takes seriously.

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Omg. If he were Muslim the wingers would be all over this like a pit bull on the pant leg of opportunity. The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven!!

What's the opportunity for anyone to put people into these superficial buckets when they commit horrific acts??  And where is the hypocrisy in my post?  Or are you just shouting into the wind again about something that you KNOW is going to happen but hasn't and more than likely doesn't??

25 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

wow you really are obsessed

i have even gotten you to post like me

it's working!!

But, PLEASE do not start posting like he does...one poster who only writes endless overly wordy posts is enough

11 minutes ago, red viking said:

He's not a whack job necessarily because he's Christian but being a whack job is DEFINITELY a cause of people becoming over the top extremist Christians. 100%!!!!

Then they use Christianity as an excuse to commit atrocious acts like this. It's happened since the Spanish inquisition. Christianity has caused millions of deaths. 

Christianity has NOT caused millions of deaths.  Severe mentally skewed interpretations and mental gymnastics, and/or plain mental delusion has caused millions of deaths.  Trying to label the deaths into a category is lazy and serves absolutely no purpose other than to make someone feel all warm and fuzzy because they can point their finger at something and say "SEE!  SEE!" 

Again, in this case calling him an "extremist Christian" is no more relevant that describing the type of vehicle the person rolled up in.

10 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

No clue about his politics, but it does seem his Christianity was likely a factor.  Looks like he was religious but was not happy with how that particular church was operating for some reason.

LOL..."seems like his Christianity was likely a factor"...seriously?!?!  The only factor was that he is a whackjob with mental health issues!!  Throw Christianity, lefty, righty, truck driver, gun owner, etc. out the window as those are superficial things that have no bearing on why he did it.

Just now, 1032004 said:

The clear implication from the OP was that churches in general are being targeted.   Looks like the motive for this one was likely specific to this guy blaming that particular church for his friend’s death.

So what group does this guy fall into other than he is a whackjob with mental health issues??

Here we go again, fighting to lump some crazy person into this group or that group to somehow make us feel all warm and fuzzy...how about the guy is clearly a whackjob...hard stop!

And I heard something about that China is helping Iran right now?

Just now, WrestlingRasta said:

Couldn't agree more.  History is supposed to teach us lessons. 

agreed!

On 6/18/2025 at 2:08 PM, Voice of the Quakers said:

If you know anything about the way colleges operated then (and now)...

• Everyone at Ohio State knew about the doctor.
• Plenty of people complained about him.
• Those who complained were told by the administration to pound sand.
• As such, friends and teammates warned their friends and teammates about the doctor and told them to make the best of it.

It's laughable to think that Jordan could've done anything about the doctor then. And, yes, whether you agree with Jordan's politics or not, his political opponents are going to make hay about it. They do not accept his denials, nor would they forgive him if he changed course and said he did know.

Hopefully, one more documentary on this type of "incident" means there will be one less similar case in the future.  But, be forever warned - predators are going to go where the kids are, and there's lot's of kids on athletic teams and at college campuses.

This.   I watched it last night, and I understand that documentaries can skew things and purposely create a narrative, but man, Hellickson and Jordan did themselves no favors for how they acted, and more importantly didn't act.  Their behavior after this all broke, and even recently is at minimum head scratching and at worst reprehensible.  

I hope we stay out of this mess

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

THIS is the more ignorant part of this post. Most of my Family is in Law Enforcement. On the two sides, 6 Uncles, among Cousins in the various agencies and including MPs, it's ~12(I don't know if one is retired yet). 

 

But yeah, thinking someone driving an UNMARKED can pull a gun because someone LEGALLY takes a picture of their license plate...can ONLY mean I hate Cops.

 

Again, how the bootlicking on the right have gotten insane. The constitution and you're rights... only works if it suits your argument, eh? LOL... again, not surprised by the hypocrisy. 

You do realize that you are only looking at it from one perspective only to make it work for your "argument"?  You keep throwing out the "its his 1st amendment right" as if the cop KINEW that this guy sneaking up on his car was just taking pictures.  And using your argument, which is true about taking pictures in public, it's pretty obvious that once the cop KNEW he was in fact only taking pictures he left without arresting the person.  Why do you guys keep conveniently not taking into account that the cop clearly had NO idea what the guy was doing??  You use after the fact information to assume it should have been known in the exact moment...and refuse to look at it from the police's perspective.  

And I am sorry but your family of LEOs would probably be ashamed that you are using them as some sort of "evidence" that "you don't hate cops" and then turnaround and claim that this cop did something wrong while clearly refusing to acknowledge the potential perspective of said cop.  

By the way...how is this a right v left thing??

Wait...there are crazy trolls (R, D, I, etc.) on social media...please say it isn't so!?!?

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Again, you should be able to approach a police officer like he's a human being, not a dangerous animal. No other Western Democracy has this issue, at least to this degree.

This is the consequence of training our officers with occupation tactics. They view the civilian populace as an inherently hostile force looking to harm them. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of our nation's police forces receive training from the IDF or former IDF members.

Here's a fun anecdote: A cop once pulled his gun on me. He saw me speeding. Instead of putting his lights on and pulling me over, he followed me into a parking lot. Once I parked, he put his lights on (no siren) and pulled up behind me. By that time, I was reaching to my passenger seat floor to grab a bag. I got out of the car without realizing he was there. He immediately pulled his gun and yelled at me to get back in the car.

This was in a Midwest suburb with a literal ZERO percent murder rate. Yet, this cop behaved like he was in Fallujah stopping a suspicious vehicle. It's a fundamentally dangerous worldview for a police officer to have.

Being a cop comes with risk. That's what you sign up for. You are committing to public service. Part of that service is putting the public safety ahead of your own. That means you shouldn't be drawing your gun at every sudden movement or unexpected approach from a stranger. If I manage to avoid doing that everyday, I think it's fair to expect our police officers to do the same.

Tell me you know nothing about how police are trained without telling me you know nothing about how police are trained.

By the way, the way YOU acted (reaching for something in the door and getting out) is what prompted the response from the police officer when he was conducting a traffic stop...funny how people like you always conveniently overlook the behavior leading up to a reaction.  Also, the police DO NOT have to use their siren to pull someone over.  And how in the heck would one not realize a cop with their lights on were behind them...I'm calling BS on that one.  YOU are the one with a dangerous worldview of police officers and THAT is the problem!

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I've spoken several people from middle east, including Iranians. They may not like their leader (I probably hate mine more) but they are pretty much all nice people, hate Israel w a passion, and justifiably dislike us because we back Israel every step of the way. 

Vast majority of people there don't want to force religion on others. 

To deny that that this is a huge factor is pure ignorance. 

How many??

10 minutes ago, red viking said:

If you ever talk to somebody from that part of the world, they'll tell you that the main reason why people over there hate us so much is because we do whatever Israel wants and give them massive military and financial aid. Basically, they see us an extension of Israel, by far the most evil country in that part of the globe. 

Your  entire argument is premised on the assumption that we need any dirty work done there whatsoever. If we simply minded our own business, we wouldn't have nearly the problem that we do. 

Incredible ignorance from the right. Are you one of those wingers that thinks people over there hate us because of our "freedom" and our "Christianity?"

Keep drinking the Kool aid. 

Reason #132,435,345 why you are not taken serious....you'd take Iran over Israel?!?!

56 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Is he following the court orders? If not, then he is acting like a king and disregarding the constitution.

(and the answer is no, he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies)

 

Please provide exact examples of how "he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies"....

LOL...this topic cracks me up!!  FYI...this isn't a new law enforcement tactic.  Different agencies have used this approach on multiple occasions for many many years.  I believe the standard protocol is that a law enforcement agent, no matter how they are dressed, has to verbally identify themselves upon contact with suspect(s)...and once detained, as they seem fit given the situation and suspected crime, they then can notify as to the reason why they are being stopped and detained.

So the bigger question is why is this all of a sudden an issue with people??  I think we all know the answer to that.

I'd challenge any one of you on here that think you know better than law enforcement on what their policies and protocols should be, go do an actual ride along, or even just talk to a law enforcement agent.

Pretty stupid and ridiculous on his part

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

That's a lie. The AI assessment is based upon a variety of the most updated sources of information. To say that there is no white privilege anymore is a complete lie and, basically, just ignorant. It's not anecdotal. The athletes with the highest endorsements are disproportionately white, compared to their performance. There's some subjectivity related to the degree to which it's occurring, but any objective sources of information is going to admit that it at least occurs to some extent. 

Re: fossil fuel-funded "scientists," it's just consistent with the winger thought process. They decide what they want to believe and then cognitive bias runs the entire show. They reject almost anything coming from a government agency or university (studies by PhD scientists) and instead adopt whatever they like from their fringe winger information sources. The less credible the more they rely on it. 

What was that about athletes with the highest endorsements being "disproportionately white"??    This is why you aren't taken seriously...

Sports stars with the highest off-field business earnings | Columbus Ledger-Enquirer

9 minutes ago, red viking said:

Yah. The AI must be rigged. I'm sure that's the common winger answer. All more reputable sources of info are against the wingers and the only real truth is found in the fringe winger sources like Breitbart, the Blaze and Fox News. 

Oh...and "scientists" that are funded by the fossil fuel industry. 

What?!?!  Did I say AI must be rigged?  I said wow that you have applied absolutely no analytical or critical thinking about what AI "said".  There is no concrete evidence that anything they said is true...it's all anecdotal, based on past history that is no longer true, etc.. In today's day and age and where our society is now, there is zero evidence of this being a systemic thing or is even remotely true.  Yet alone can't be proven as absolute truth that Clark is benefiting for being white.

By the way...your tiresome attacks on these "wingers" and news sources that I have hardly ever heard of nor been on is some way relevant in this back and forth how??  And what does scientists funded by the fossil fuel industry have to do with your claim about the color of Clark's skin??  

Just now, red viking said:

Being elected doesn't give anybody the power to do whatever they want. WOW, that you think it does. Scary. But only if they're Republican, right? 

Please provide where I said that Presidents can do whatever they want?  I said he is trying to do what he campaigned on and the majority of the people voted for.  And if he was King it wouldn't matter what the courts said now would it??? 

Not to mention THIS is why you think he trying to be a "King"...executive orders??    Something every single President has done and will do in the future??  By the way I never once complained about when Biden did it, Obama did it, etc.  Did you complain about it when they did it??

Or can you at least be intellectually honest and just say it is because you hate Trump and leave it at that instead of continuing with these ridiculous and factually incorrect claims.