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still doesn't help Virginia lol

for all my commentary on this subject, I don't follow HS results like I did 10+ years ago, but here goes. GB, Cox, Grundy, CBurg all still big time within the state but down nationally. This is not the GB of Frishkorn bros, Michael Martin, Staylors, Bond, Siordes, Chris Brown era. Having 6 divisions plus private schools having their own vs 3 and privates years back is part of it. Not knocking the kids, but not too many have to get through a hammer or more to win a state title.... part of my surprise with VA too though was thought D3 might carry us here. Lots of programs in recent years added and doing pretty well an I think with decent level of in state kids. But we don't have D2 that I know of or NAIA so maybe that is part of it when total numbers get added up.

thanks for confirming my recall that this is not a great PA year. and yeah, that's what I meant, not seeing California in top 15ish is a little surprising. and for my home state, a certain amount of the more casual fan base thinks we're not PA or OH or NJ but pretty competitive otherwise. Nope not there at this point, and if anything, losing ground to states like NC and GA in our general vicinity.

PA with only 6 D1 AAs has to be a pretty down year for them historically, right? California not being on there jumps out as well. and Virginia is not on there. sigh....

Nickerson in 2009 at 125. Defeated 2008 champ Escobedo in semis and 2007 champ Donahoe in finals.

Maybe I’m arguing the wrong point but it’s the guys who aren’t short for the weight class and still jacked that baffle me. Palmer in OP is one thing. The guy on that team that had hollow bones or something was Bo Jordan.

tangent - there's a pretty good book called Four Days to Glory that follows Borschel and Dan Leclere through their senior HS seasons. Think it gets into the recruitment class stuff at the end, but been a while since I picked it up.

well I've looked at this 300 times and only voted once

fwiw, Terkay did beat Rulon in the all-star, 5-3. here's the full results for any relevance to this discussion, found on wrestlingstats 118 Chad Zaputil - Iowa Defeated Lou Rosselli - Edinboro 6-4 OT 126 Shawn Charles - Arizona State Defeated Tony Purler - Nebraska 8-6 134 T.J. Jaworsky - North Carolina Defeated Mark Fergeson - Cornell 6-5 142 Troy Steiner - Iowa Defeated Shannyn Gillespie - Lock Haven 9-4 150 Troy Sunderland - Penn State Defeated Steve Cassidy - Lehigh 6-4 158 Matt Lindland - Nebraska Defeated Mike Schyck - Ohio State 3-1 167 Ray Miller - Arizona State Defeated Dave Hart - Penn State 9-5 177 Matt Johnson - Iowa State Defeated Corey Olson - Nebraska 11-3 190 Rex Holman - Ohio State Defeated Andy Foster - Oklahoma 9-8 UNL Sylvester Terkay - North Carolina State Defeated Rulon Gardner - Nebraska 5-3

not 100% but think he was a year behind those guys

Add Dan Leclere to that recruiting class. I know you're focusing on what they did in college, and it was very impressive. Looking at them as recruits out of HS, that group was very hyped. DL had a solid career at Iowa but no AA finished iirc.

Interesting Hodge year and overall. This was the year Oklahoma St was on probation. You wrestle against the guys who are put in front of you in the post season but if the Cowboys are there some of this changes.

there was a stab at this recently

I used to compete in powerlifting after the wrestling days were in the rear view and now it's been a long time since I competed in PL. I don't really follow it anymore either but when I last was into it there was at least one prominent PL organization that had weigh-ins 48 hours prior to competition. Weight cuts were crazy in some cases. Guys setting records in the 165 class weighing close to 200 by the time they lifted.

I thought one of the ideas was that matside weigh-ins would be in singlet, maybe even with the shoes on....weigh-in, go wrestle....

how would a rest of PA all-star team have done vs Penn St in a dual this past year?

Different kind of memorable as their fame came years later. I lost a match to future Hollywood money maker Mark Ruffalo and won a match against future Olympic Gold medalist diver Mark Lenzi (RIP).

98 - 119 in HS. 126 College intramurals. 135 in a bad idea to wrestle in an open tournament in my early 30s.

Two best to ever beat me I wrestled same day, freestyle tournament ‘83 or ‘84. 1) Steve Martin who ended up being an AA at Iowa. Beat me 12-0. Like he was drilling, relatively painless but still humiliating. 2) Joe Stukes who ended up being 3x top 4 in D2. Beat me 14-1 (who the hell knows how I got 1). Worst physical beat down I ever suffered.

Fried once pinned Tom Brands in like 20 seconds. I'm guessing he pinned somebody in '94.... wrestlingstats used to have detailed info on wrestlers from Oklahoma State (amongst a few other schools). Unfortunately, it looks like that info is no longer accessible. Without the full detailed stats for all, I'm going Smith, Fried, Henson in that order. Mac and McCoy suffer from being sophomores at the time.

Sam Hazewinkel?

Gibson was also a Sambo world champ.

speaking of Lehigh, Darryl Burley was 94-5-1. 3 losses and a tie with Randy Lewis, a loss to Jim Gibbons, and a loss to Mike Land. 100% to National champs.

think the answer is Greg Gibson.

Didn’t Eiter coach McHenry in HS?