a spiral is an effective way to pin... just ask gene the machine

JUICY!!

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i raise you a bobby knight, or a mike K

or a jerry glanville

or a texas volleyball coach

btw, i think the brands have a pretty good record with the brick. i remember the btn team sparks and johnson commenting on how right they usually are 

and in the woods/hardy match, they probably were right again, even tho they didn't win

comes down to who has the best team. so both are still relevant.

who can develop their non champs, AA's the best.

btw, its the same in every sport

obtain disrespect? 

2 minutes ago, SocraTease said:

2023 Big Ten Championships

Team Standings
	Team Score	# F	# Consi Semi	# 3rd-4th	# 5th-6th	# 7th-8th	Max Possible
Penn State	129	6	2	2		1	171
Iowa	119.5	3	4	2	2	3	149.5
Nebraska	98.5	5	2		2		134.5
Ohio State	91	2	5	4	1		118
Minnesota	80	2	3	2	1	2	104
Michigan	74.5	1	4	3	1	2	95.5
Northwestern	74.5		7	3	4		95.5
Wisconsin	49.5	1	2		2	2	64.5
Illinois	44.5		3	2	1	1	53.5
Purdue	43		3	1	2	1	52
Rutgers	31		1		1	4	37
Indiana	27		1		1	2	33
Michigan State	27		2		2	1	33
Maryland	23		1	1		1	29

Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.

i think we lost a point in the wilson amine match 

1 hour ago, russelscout said:

Guys like McDonough, Borschel, and St John  don’t win a title at Nebby. That’s a fact. 
 

Iowa destroyed Nebby in the dual, they are beating Nebby in the tourney and you’re talking about the gap being closed? You’re delusional.

JB doesn't win one at Iowa

by the way...what dual prediction did i make

i am not jajensen

I agree, his head is in the clouds.

but his statement that manning has kept up with the times isn't really wrong.

26 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I agree, but that still doesn't explain the complete absence of champs since Burroughs.  Not when you're (not you specifically) comparing Manning to Brands. In general, Manning has been doing a great job, but that's not the conversation we're having.

you never mention the lack of champs BEFORE burroughs...

manning didn't inherit the gable dynasty

the conversation is... IOWA has competed well i agree, but have they KEPT UP WITH THE TIMES

other than lee, is there another iowa champ since 2010? maybe ramos?

since 2005? metcalf ?

perry?

now again, this is using your metric....success

im saying using better wrestling technique... keeping up with the times

41 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Manning and Nebby got Jordan Burroughs, maybe the best US wrestler of all time, and hasn't coached a champion since then.  This is amazing coming on the heels of your dual prediction. 

but he was the 52nd ranked recruit at the time...

and 7th among 135 pounders

i believe manning was THE ONLY DI offer

i dind't expect bubba to win...but how does amine not get a stall call before 8 seconds left in the 3rd oT

RAN the entire 3rd OT and all the time on feet in 2nd OT

not to mention backing continuously in regulation

it's not ridiculous... look at how iowa wrestled 20 years ago.

now today

looks the same for the guys of their caliber.

they just dont have the hammers anymore except for Lee

warner, brands murin

all wrestle like the average guys of previous years 

nothing has changed. not saying they are bad... 

but have they kept up? 

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

They were much heavier favorites that year than the year they won it. 

again, paper means nothing

thats why they wrestle

my evidence: compare where you thought NU would be in November to where they are now.

not saying NU didn't get dominated in the dual

3 minutes ago, russelscout said:

How many does a Manning have?

manning didn't inherit the wrestling tradition at Iowa 

i mean, im realistic

i see NU going o for today...

and I dont see a top 5 finish at ncaa

but spare me the iowa is the best

i mean, murin for god sake

7 minutes ago, russelscout said:

Would you agree that Venz got worse from his Freshman year to his Senior? He placed as a freshman and never again. I don’t think you can say the same about any of the guys you listed.

desanto got better?

marinelli got better?

m star?

brands?

25 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

They won a team title, and probably would have won 2 but for COVID....?

maybe

24 minutes ago, russelscout said:

They won a team national title?

only one?

i remember discussions about the penn 5 at iowa too... how did that all work out...

personally, someone calling out manning here is wrong

just look at where the team is now compared to november

i know if ifs and buts were candy and nuts etc...

but if lovett was wrestling and pinto doesn't fall asleep against romero

we are looking at 7 in the finals

and perhaps a chance at second...

in the history of homers on this board, its finally not someone from Iowa or New Jersey

question for people who know foreign rosters:

interested in knowing how many russians were on other teams before the boycott

and how many were on other teams after the boycott

ukr had several dudes in medals

armenia, georgia, kzg, kaz etc...

im not spelling all the stans so yeah 

2 hours ago, Crotalus said:

 

 

I'm a bit confused on the scoring of that. The ref originally called 4 blue 2 red. Which indicates she was giving Zahid credit for feet to back and then 2 to Ukr for exposure. After the challenge, they switched it to 4 red 2 blue.

If they are giving Ukr credit for a 4 pt feet to back chest wrap (which I think was the right call, there was a very slight hesitation and it was more of a lift than just rolling Zahid through on a continuation of the double), then what did Zahid get 2 points for? He didn't get a takedown, and it wasn't his exposure. If Zahid is given 2 for exposure, then it couldn't be a 4 pointer for Ukr, right? Should that not have been 4 red 0 blue, or 2 red 2 blue?

 

good point.

i think perhaps zahid exposed on the continuation out of bounds? 

18 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

Zahid in on double.  Hoisted over.  Given 4.  Challenge.  I didn’t see any stop and change in direction.  But challenge won.  So Zahid down 4-2. Zahid aggressor.  2 step outs.  4-4.  Hunting low ankles.  Stuck under.  Ukrainian hoists and given two for an exposure.  Hmmm.  Very close.  No challenge.  Zahid TD.  6-6 but UKR has criteria.  10 sec left in 1st.

2nd - ref gives point to Z for hands to face.  Chair doesn’t agree.  6-6.  Zahid hunting.  UKR does fire.  Nada.  Chair very vocal.  Looks like UKR warmed for passivity.  Z trapped under.  UKR blocking off.  Does fire.  Z turned on chest wrap.  6-8.  25 sec to go.   1 to Zahid, no.  Not given.  Zahid loses

He has not separated from world pack.

 

when i saw it, i would have scored it 4 ukr and 2 usa just like they did 

however, i can't believe they let ukr RUN the entire second period and NO 30 second clock

he did one counter and shot once at 35 seconds left... that was it, backward and running

he didn't come close to holding center 

now zahid could have done a bit more actual attacks but...

The match that makes people cringe at freestyle scoring has to be finesilvers

he lifts the guy, hanging on his back, im yelling just drop on top of him backwards!!!

he does a cartwheel and gets two

then does the exact same move and gets four

talk about inconsistency 

20 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Wrestlestat shows Flo broadcasting EIWA.  

I think last year that ACC and Big 12 were both on ESPN or ESPN+.  Big Ten on the Big Ten Network.  Completely unsure about SoCon, MAC, and Pac-12.  NCAA were on ESPN I think.  

im not at home... but i was looking this weekend and think i saw socon and mac were also on espn+

i would bet pac 12 is on pac 12...which i dont have