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Are you simply mad that the Senate might not confirm the illustrious Matt Gaetz as Attorney General since he is in the Orange Stain's All Star cabinet lineup? Or maybe another All-most Star, Pete Hegseth, the least qualified Defense Secretary pick in American history

What used to be a much better event if you were paying attention. Yea, but they don't have a tournament to decide who goes to the All Star match. You "reasoning" (analogy) is beyond flawed. Why not just pick the "All Stars" out of a hat, then? See, it's easy to play with reductio ad absurdum and other fallacies.

Exactly, but either a lot of posters here don't know much wrestling history or they can't read between the lines. An All Star event in most every other sport generally features the very best athletes, not the second, third, fourth, or ninth best. But, I guess, if people get excited about #8 vs. #9, that's their preference for embracing a watered down world of value.

In fact, it's just the facts or factoids, which I thought would be up your headachin' alley since you are a data-head

Below is this weekend's lineup. It is debatable whether it is an "All Star" slate. Using Flo's rankings, there is exactly one #1 ranked wrestler. And one matchup that features #1 vs. #2. The average ranking for the 20 wrestlers is #4. On the positive side, there are 6 guys ranked #2 and 4 guys ranked #3. But there are also 2 wrestlers ranked #8 and one at #9. "Star"occi is clearly an All Star. I get it though. Some wrestlers have other commitments. Some might be injured. Some see no gain in competing, and so on. But perhaps the event should be billed as "Al(most) Stars" or something of the sort. In any event, which matches are folks looking forward to the most? 197: #6 Stephen Little, Little Rock vs #9 Zac Braunagel, Illinois 285: #3 Nick Feldman, Ohio State vs #8 Taye Ghadiali, Campbell 125: #2 Jore Volk, Wyoming vs #5 Tanner Jordan, South Dakota State 133: #2 Nasir Bailey, Little Rock vs #6 Lucas Byrd, Illinois 141: #2 Jesse Mendez, Ohio State vs #3 Beau Bartlett, Penn State 149: #2 Shayne Van Ness, Penn State vs #3 Ty Watters, West Virginia 157: #4 Tyler Kasak, Penn State vs #5 Peyten Kellar, Ohio 165: #8 Hunter Garvin, Stanford vs #4 Peyton Hall, West Virginia 174: #2 Levi Haines, Penn State vs #3 Cade DeVos, SDSU 184: #1 Carter Starocci, Penn State vs #2 Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa

Gable is still debating what costume to wear for his debut, or re-debut, or re-re-debut.

Nickal is now a shill for far right demagogues. He's also a zealot Christer and generally just a toxic loudmouth. Here's to hoping he gets his clock cleaned soon.

I hear some other guys are looking for their shoes in trees: Wade Schalles, Dan Gable, Ben Askren. Gym Jordan .... There are even rumors that Dan Hodge found a pair hanging in a cemetery tree.

At this point, he seems a bit like a drama queen in search of a new drama. 2019: Freshman, 3rd at NCAAs 2020: Sophomore, NCAAs canceled 2021: Junior, 1st at NCAAs, though this year does not count against his NCAA eligibility 2022: Junior, 1st at NCAAs 2023: redshirt 2024: Olympic redshirt 2025: Senior

Imagine wrestling for almost half a day (11 hour) under the blazing summer sun with no end in sight. That’s precisely what happened in Stockholm 1912, during what would become the longest Olympic wrestling match in history. Unlike today's six-minute wrestling matches filled with rapid takedowns and decisive holds, early Olympic wrestling had one rule for victory: pin your opponent. With **no time limit**, bouts could stretch endlessly. And in 1912, they did. The epic showdown between **Estonia’s Martin Klein** (competing for the Russian Empire) and **Finland’s Alfred Asikainen** remains unparalleled. Their match, in the **Greco-Roman style**, spanned a jaw-dropping **11 hours and 40 minutes**. Only upper-body strength and technique were allowed, making the marathon clash even more demanding. Both Klein and Asikainen were titans of their time. Klein, undefeated throughout the competition, faced Asikainen, a 1911 world champion and heavy favorite, in a battle for a spot in the gold-medal match. With a sweltering Swedish summer pressing down, their Herculean duel wore on for nearly **half a day** before Klein finally pinned Asikainen. Victory, however, came at a steep price: Klein, utterly spent from the effort, withdrew from the final, conceding the gold to **Sweden’s Claes Johnson**. This legendary contest didn’t just push the boundaries of human endurance; it reshaped the sport itself. The grueling match highlighted the need for regulated time limits to ensure the safety and spectacle of wrestling. Years later, though Klein was eligible to compete again in the 1920 Olympics, he chose instead to coach the **Estonian team** at Antwerp, embodying the spirit of passing the torch to future athletes. An 11-hour battle, the limits of human will, and the dawn of modern wrestling rules—this match is a testament to the raw resilience that defined early Olympic competition. #OlympicHistory #WrestlingLegends #Stockholm1912 #LongestMatchEver

Flo wrestling: All commercials almost all the time. With short breaks for wrestling

Let's take this reductio ad absurdum further: get rid of scoring and rules all together. Only one person walks out of the arena (venue) alive. Demolition Derby + MMA + Squid Game ≠ Hunger Games.

Great to see DT go with a medal and a win over a two-time World Champion. Amazing career in high school, college, and International freestyle

Ono was (and is) damn impressive. Cut through guys like a hot knife in butter. He's super quick and technically very good. Apparently, he will be training at Penn State this winter. Wondering whether Cael offers him a scholarship to do folkstyle or a place at the NLWC

Tomorrow's (Halloween) schedule according to FLO. Vito goes for bronze, and DT in repechage. It is likely the last time we see Taylor in competition. Hopefully, he makes it through to the medal match with Iran. I wonder if he leaves his shoes on the mat ... or if that is done at International competitions. Seems like it might be more of an American ritual, but I'm not certain. Thursday, October 31 11:00 am - 12:30 am - Men's Freestyle Repechage 1:00 pm - 4:00 pm - Men's Freestyle Medal Rounds

Yes, that would be a much better and much fairer process and one that doesn't lead to the absurdity of two bronze medalists who don't wrestle each other.

We know how that got to this weight and point. If you don't think it is still one of the best matchups in freestyle history, please tell us one that supersedes a 7 time World and Olympic Champion (2 Olympic Golds and 5 World titles) vs. a 4 time World and Olympic Champion (not to mention that they also both have a silver at Worlds).

Yes, the DT-Sadulaev matchup is one of the best in freestyle history, so you at least separate them on opposite sides of the bracket to build interest and enthusiasm for a potential championship final. And while we will get the match, it is first round and then excitement wanes. What are the chances of them drawing each other? I haven't done the math, but it is probably less than 5%. UWW is arguably better at corruption than building interest in the sport. And American audiences will need to get up or stay awake between 4:30 and 5:30 AM to watch. Set your alarms now, however.

Further evidence that the wrestling community is not known for its intelligence.

Are you looking to breed horses? Or a horse's derrière? (I think most of us know which one A.J. is)

And we thought the Lebron "Decision" a few years back was self-aggrandizement. Oh well, he is still a high school kid and science tells us that brain development continues until about age of 25 or 26.

Here are the current entries as far as I'm aware. It's possible that some of this might change, however: Men's Freestyle 61kg Aryan TSIUTRYN (AIN) Zavur UGUEV (AIN) Endrio AVDYLI (ALB) Mezhlum MEZHLUMYAN (ARM) Nuraddin NOVRUZOV (AZE) Christopher MERLO (CAN) Weiyu LI (CHN) Rabby KILANDI (COD) Peter HAMMER CUDE (CRC) Joshua KRAMER (ECU) Arman ELOYAN (FRA) Giorgi GONIASHVILI (GEO) Niklas STECHELE (GER) Gamzatgadzsi HALIDOV (HUN) UDIT (IND) Reza Hossein MOMENIJOUJADEH (IRI) Masanosuke ONO (JPN) Assyl AITAKYN (KAZ) Taiyrbek ZHUMASHBEK UULU (KGZ) Leomid COLESNIC (MDA) Tsogbadrakh TSEVEENSUREN (MGL) Besir ALILI (MKD) Joseph SILVA (PUR) Razvan KOVACS (ROU) Azamat TUSKAEV (SRB) Nils LEUTERT (SUI) Tolga OZBEK (TUR) Andrii DZHELEP (UKR) Vitali ARUJAU (USA) 70kg Niurgun SKRIABIN (AIN) Inalbek SHERIEV (AIN) Eriglent PRIZRENI (ALB) Arman ANDREASYAN (ARM) Ali RAHIMZADE (AZE) Ramazan RAMAZANOV (BUL) Peiman BIABANI (CAN) Shijian ZHOU (CHN) Norvil BUKASA (COD) Anthony WESLEY (CPV) Akaki KEMERTELIDZE (GEO) Manish GOSWAMI (IND) Amirmohammad YAZDANI (IRI) Mitchell FINESILVER (ISR) Yoshinosuke AOYAGI (JPN) Nurkozha KAIPANOV (KAZ) Alibek OSMONOV (KGZ) Nicolai GRAHMEZ (MDA) Temuulen ENKHTUYA (MGL) Fati VEJSELI (MKD) Patryk OLENCZYN (POL) Stefan COMAN (ROU) Abdulmazhid KUDIEV (TJK) Umut ERDOGAN (TUR) Vasyl SHUPTAR (UKR) James GREEN (USA) 79kg Magomed MAGOMAEV (AIN) Orges LILA (ALB) Chems FETAIRIA (ALG) Arman AVAGYAN (ARM) Orkhan ABASOV (AZE) Khidir SAIPUDINOV (BRN) Mihail GEORGIEV (BUL) Adam THOMSON (CAN) Nan CAO (CHN) Andy MUKENDI (COD) Zelimkhan KHADJIEV (FRA) Avtandil KENTCHADZE (GEO) Lucas KAHNT (GER) Murad KURAMAGOMEDOV (HUN) Parvinder SINGH (IND) Mohammad NOKHODI (IRI) RAFFAELE MATRULLO (ITA) Kota TAKAHASHI (JPN) Daulet YERGESH (KAZ) Alans AMIROVS (LAT) Traian CAPATINA (MDA) Suldkhuu OLONBAYAR (MGL) Ahmad MAGOMEDOV (MKD) Andrzej SOKALSKI (POL) Shane JONES (PUR) Zurab KAPRAEV (ROU) Akhsarbek GULAEV (SVK) Magomet EVLOEV (TJK) Ahmet YAGAN (TUR) Valentyn BABII (UKR) Jordan BURROUGHS (USA) Mirzo KHAYITOV (UZB) 92kg Yaraslau IADKOUSKI (AIN) Abdulrashid SADULAEV (AIN) Marjus MALKO (ALB) Igor SARKISIAN (ARM) Aslan ABAKAROV (AZE) Akhmed MAGAMAEV (BUL) Andrew JOHNSON (CAN) Zushen LIN (CHN) Miriani MAISURADZE (GEO) Lars SCHAEFLE (GER) Balazs JUHASZ (HUN) Sandeep MANN (IND) Kamran GHASEMPOUR (IRI) Matthew FINESILVER (ISR) Benjamin HONIS (ITA) Takashi ISHIGURO (JPN) Nurdaulet BEKENOV (KAZ) Egzon SHALA (KOS) Ivars SAMUSONOKS (LAT) Domantas PAULIUSCENKO (LTU) Ivan ICHIZLI (MDA) Gankhuyag GANBAATAR (MGL) Dejan MITROV (MKD) Filip ROGUT (POL) Samuel SCHERRER (SUI) Batyrbek TSAKULOV (SVK) Bekir Talip OVEC (TUR) Illia ARCHAIA (UKR) David TAYLOR (USA)

Team Dagestan and Team Iran could provide some good competition for PSU.

I'm curious how they are going to seed 92KG. It's often the case that the best wrestlers end up facing one another before the finals because of seeding criteria. Is it possible that the top 3 are all on the same side of the bracket? The UWW should use some common sense and avoid that situation. Even if not, one of the three will have to face two of the top three rather than only one of them