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more deflecting, and not even a good deflection since that's a local issue

If you can't defend the actions of your tribe, just resort to ad hominem attacks. The wingers playbook.

It's very simple. The money was appropriated by Congress and the agencies are charged with enforcing laws that were also passed by Congress. It's a very straightforward 100% violation of the Constitution for President Musk (with diaper donald's approval) to decide on their own to shut down whatever agencies they choose.

Proof that these idiots are being reckless and not really thinking though what they're doing. Not only that, but this is causing significant havoc in peoples' lives. Who cares though, right? They're just piece of garbage federal workers. First, they accidentally fire people from the nuclear safety agency. Now, they accidentally fire agency employees who are working on the federal government's response to the H5N1 avian flu outbreak

They followed it by not trying to shut down whatever govt agencies they wanted without congressional approval.

Nice deflection, but a completely different subject. Whether Musk is telling Trump what to do or Trump approves whatever he does (as if there's a huge difference), there are no checks and balances anymore. You ever hear of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers? You don't care about that garbage anymore though. How convenient.

the wingers are still looking for all this fraud so they keep going to what they consider to be "waste," which is any spending they don't like. HIlarious. You can't make this stuff up. The ignorance is amazing.

Right and wrong doesn't matter to the wingers, one bit. You're either loyal to diaper boy or not. That's all that matters.

Wow. This one lady who says she knows somebody that told her.... Definitely a major problem here. No doubt. Lmfao.

Wow, so we're comparing a person that rapes and kidnaps/holds women against their will for sex trafficking to teachers that tell kids its OK to have a sex change or doctors that provide transgender services (very rare and almost all of those are chest-related anyway) for teens? WOW!!!!!!!

If you aren't trying to draw a cause-effect relationship then I don't really care to take it any farther because I'm not arguing that there isn't a correlation. If you are trying to draw a cause-effect relationship, then back it up. If you aren't, then what's the significance?

I'd like to see some real data on how much fraud he's found. Still waiting....

We all knew there was social security (and medicare) fraud on an individual level. That fraud should be eliminated to the extent practicable. We are also all in agreement with that. I think we still are. Please show me something new and significant. I agree that's nice if we can wipe out the payments for a few 160 year olds but how many of them are there (how many did he really find) and how much is this really going to save? Again, we're talking fractions of fractions of fractions of single penny if the entire federal budget is a dollar. Now, if we can take down corporations that are fraudulently getting tens of billions of dollars each (most likely as part of the Pentagon budget), then I'd be more enthusiastic. That's a much lower priority for DOGE for convenient reasons, if its even something they want to look for. Meanwhile, we'll actually increase overall fraud with the laying off of federal workers that oversee the money going out, including IRS agents that make sure people aren't committing fraud on their taxes.

OMG. I'm actually pointing out what a dumb argument this is. See Caveira's point above. I'm making fun of it.

We already knew this was a problem

So, I think we should gut 95% of our military spending. I guess that means that 95% of our military spending is "fraud." Great logic.

$2.7T in fraud, or $2.7T in "waste," based merely upon the fact that they didn't like it?

OK. Usually wingers try to draw cause-effect relationships without further data when they find a correlation that they like. If you aren't doing that, then my bad. It does appear to be a factual correlation. I would add that I think it applies to men too, from what I can tell. Perhaps the correlation is stronger for women. If so, the reasons why would be interesting to look into.

I think it's pretty clear that these are common sense associations. All other factors being equal, a healthy person with more money will be happier than a person that has to live on welfare due to health problems. Same with most or all of the other factors I cited above. No, I'm not going to "look it up," because I know that you know it's true. I'm sure there are plenty of studies that prove these correlations if you do a simple search. You're the ones (or at least Caveira) that appear to be implying that there is cause-effect relationship here, so the onus is on you. Or are you merely saying there is a correlation and stopping right there? If so, then I don't have a problem. The majority of scientific studies do appear to show this correlation. While interesting, a correlation doesn't really mean much because there can be dramatically different reasons for any correlation.

Yes, Fox being the most viewed news/entertainment outlet in the country is certainly part of "the media."

Yes, but spirituality doesn't have to be. You can practice spirituality without following a dogmatic b.s. religion. Religion is for the mentally weak.

On average, they are more likely to be a minority, have less money, have a higher rate of homelessness, disabilities, be uneducated, single, not practice spirituality, etc. compared to conservative women. Good that they controlled for age, but there are several other factors at play here. You can't do anything close to drawing a cause-effect relationship based upon this information.

This does appear to be true, but this is only a correlation and not a cause-effect relationship. Those that have some basic scientific background understand just how flawed it would be to draw a cause-effect relationship here. For example, there are several factors that would generally cause somebody to be happier AND more conservative at the same time: A few that come to mind: 1) Being a man (possible), 2) Being white, 3) Being religious and attending church (even though the Christian church is full of BS, most likely), 4) Having more money, 5) Being married, 6) Not being homeless, 7) Being older, #8 not being handicapped, and 9) Not having significant health problems. There are many more if you look at the data. Basically, the downtrodden in society that are struggling just to get by and don't know where their next meal is coming from or how their kids are going to be able to go to college are going to tend to be more liberal and also unhappy. The fat cats with great jobs and health that have never faced adversity, discrimination or financial insecurity, etc are going to tend to be happier AND more conservative, all other factors being equal. It's extremely basic and should be easy to understand.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/14/thought-and-cancelled-elections-how-do-jd-vances-europe-claims-stand-up It would have been a great speech if he was telling the truth.

Just one? God, I could go on for hundreds of pages, so thanks for limiting it to one. You could pick and choose from all the lies about the alleged 2020 voter fraud (related to Biden because it indicates that he fraudulently won), where Fox had to pay Dominion almost $1 billion dollars due to all their lies.