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There has been a #1 seed lose in the first round as recently as 2007, so......

There is no set criteria for seeding the B1G tournie. Instead it is based on a coaches' vote. So hard to say for sure which matters more. Also hard to say if they just consider conference results. If so, then the Smith win over Ramos would not matter as it was at CKLV. With Ramos 8-0 in conference I have to believe he is the top seed. But after that it gets messy. You have five guys with 2 conference losses (Ayala 5-2, Barnett 6-2, Davis 6-2, DeAugustino 5-2, McCrone 5-2) and two guys with three conference losses (McKee 4-3, Smith 4-3). But, both three loss guys have each beaten two loss guys and Ayala did not wrestle Barnett. Smith has beaten 2 two loss guys (Davis, DeAugustino) and lost to 2 two loss guys (Ayala, Barnett) and the other three loss guy (McKee). McKee losses are to the lone conference undefeated (Ramos), one of the two loss guys (Barnett) and a four loss guy (Peterson). I think that loss to Peterson is what causes him to be seeded below Smith. But the real question is do they put any of the three conference loss guys ahead of any of the two conference loss guys? Among the 2 loss guys, McCrone clearly has the weakest resume. I can see them elevating both McKee and Smith above McCrone. With wins over Davis and DeAugustino, maybe Smith even bumps over them. But with conference losses to Ayala and Barnett, I do not see Smith being above those two. So call it a range of 4 to 8 for Smith's seed.

Awesome stuff, @bracketbuster

Indeed, but we have some newbies, so I thought I would give them some context. But if I recall correctly they didn't have first place that year because PSU wasn't trying. Isn't that right?

PSU bonus points in the Sanderson era. Last year was their lowest other than the punt year and first year.

As a huge PSU fan I can confirm that they are getting all the calls because that is what is right and just.

Yes, 2022

You must be new around here.

Is Messenbrink the new Stevenson?

Seems like you would enjoy Asimov's Robot and Foundation series.

See last week's answer

Right back at ya, Fadz. I always enjoy your posts. You are so knowledgable.

Indeed Haines is not a guarantee, but given what we saw in Iowa last week, and that Robb is 2-4 in his last 6, Haines is a heavy favorite. It would be a major upset if Robb were to beat him. As for Mesenbrink, I think he is one of those guys to whom his opponent's style does not matter. I admittedly do not know much about Taylor, though.

Certainly the first three weights are toss ups. Wrestlestat has all three going to PSU, but I do not see that happening. Wrestlestat also has Kasak beating Lovett which would be a major upset. I do not see that happening either. The only match wrestlestat has going Nebraska's way is the other clear toss up to me, Pinto v Truax. I think Nebraska gets 1 or 2 of the first three weights, Lovett, and Pinto making it 7-3 to PSU, maybe 6-4, but I think 7-3.

You are correct. In the years immediately following WW2 they briefly allowed freshman to be eligible. So, in 1950 Dick Hutton (1,1,2,1 for Oklahoma St) and Joe Scarpello (1,3,2,1 for Iowa) became the first two four timers. And unless they started the finals at Heavyweight Scarpello would have barely preceded Hutton.

Boom, roasted. You have my vote.

Is it me, or is it him? It's him, isn't it?

Gary Breece (Oklahoma) and Jarrett Hubbard (Michigan) were the first two in the modern era. But they were actually the third and fourth overall. Can you name the first two?

Agree. I think the split has served both parties well. It is just such a shame that Flo had to be such dicks about it.

I feel like he will be a very good coach. He is very thoughtful about his approach to the sport. He has developed a philosophy about how it should be taught and how athletes should be managed such that they have long term success. He has used his wrestling academy to test his theories and it has worked exceptionally well. Given his strong opinions and given that he now can prove his methods work, I do not see him accepting an assistant coaching position where he may need to work within someone else's system such that he may need to compromise.

I have mentioned "The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York" by Robert Caro before. An amazing book that studies power, how it is acquired, how it is used, how it affects people, through the lens Robert Moses, the man who is most responsible for the way New York City looks and works today, though few had ever heard of him. It is a mere 1,344 pages long. A nice, breezy summer read. There is also a podcast going on right now that geeks out on the book in installments (99% Invisible on Spotify).

57 kg - I want to say Arujau, but he seems like he is dealing with something and still needs to cut. I am going with Spencer Lee 65 kg - Keep it in the family, Nick Lee. He has Diakomihalis' and McKenna's number. 74 kg - Dake 86 kg - Taylor 97 kg - Snyder 125 kg - Parris I just do not see a changing of the guard yet at 74 - 125

After googling that, this is what I found on an OSU board: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/board/101483/Contents/flo-vs-saylorrokfin--154569857/

Wasn't it something open to interpretation like, "What is going on in Columbus?"