ThreePointTakedown

Any evidence that grooming in these situations is happening as much or more than in the Catholic Church and I'll be shocked. I'd imagine, one of them you really care about getting to the bottom of. The other, less so. Which might effect more people?

Emotional outburst aside. I don't care about last summer. Maybe this is the wrong format for you to make your case if getting booted is a possibility. I've SEEN a person try to offer up bad evidence, have been SHOWN nothing, and yes I still don't believe. That shouldn't be shocking to you. Is evidence of things unseen in your wheelhouse? Cuz that's not gonna do much for me either, fyi. You mentioned BJ but did not include a title. Makes it seem like you heard it from someone but did not see it for yourself. I am not going to go back through posts from last year to find this when you could just type the Title of the book. Then you need to confirm that it is or has been in a library that 5th graders have access to. I'm not just going to believe you. Nor should you want me to, if you are serious about it. Sorry that I'm making harder for you to prove your point. But you're not doing a great job. I'm trying to confirm that what you say is true and that it should be taken seriously.

Terrible thing to say with no evidence. Old hat for you tho. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. My name is TPTD, you are a liar, prepare to cry.

Fair point. But since you have not provided evidence that that is actually happening. I will go ahead and not believe that what you are saying is true, given the current amount of evidence. If you wish at some point in the future to provide more/better evidence I might be brought to your side. As it stands I am not. Have you seen these things with your own eyes or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Because, you know people lie. They lie all the time. Lie about big things and small things. They lie to try to make you think they are better/smarter or more moral than they really are. That's a big one. 'Do as I say, not as I do' is big for people trying to convince you something is immoral. Funny that your name is what it is.

Not sure what point you are trying to make? Was the earlier comment, your attempt at providing evidence for you point? If so, how is it suppose to help make your point, because I'm not seeing it?

Titles? what kind of stuff shows up in a 5th grade library that is controversial? Are you uncomfortable with a 5th grader learning about the two moms or two dads that at class mate has? Or two penguins that decide to spend their lives together, that happen to have the same anatomy? That hat the cat wears is trying to send a message and I'm reading it loud and clear! Thing 1 and Thing 2? I suspect some shenanigans are afoot. What is the red fish doing with the blue fish behind closed doors? That's what I want to know!

Anyone see it on Columbia athletics site?

So, no?

Which books? What examples of material are we talking about? and do they actually show up in a 5th graders library?

Offended and age-appropriate are not the same things. Purity culture, religious nut jobs that refuse to teach their children about sex until they are of the age of marriage(which in some cases is WELL below the age of 18, we can discuss what 'well below' means, but by your logic even one day is too far) would be offended by kissing or holding hands or any of a bunch of mundane things that many other people wouldn't even blink at. Lack of education and exposure to knowledge are just a few of the reasons we are having this conversation. Ignorance begets ignorance.

Ok. Last comment on this. My name would suggest that a take down is worth three points. Whatever else you read into is your implicit bias. You should look that up because its effecting much more than you realize. Second. It seems as if you are under the impression that PA is not something I can appreciate as a desirable characteristic. That is wrong. My disagreement began when it seemed that you were trying to determine if people in need had used PA enough or to your satisfaction before their need for help was even taken into account. If you believe that the slightest bit of PA would qualify someone to receive much needed aid then I'm on your side. If you are in favor of holding back assistance until someone reaches your predetermined threshold of PA before allowing someone to get aid, then we have a problem. Maybe this was all just a... misunderstanding.

I am unconvinced. Do you have evidence of this happening?

Not backing up your claim then hiding your cowardice behind anonymity. Sweet sweet anonymity. By all means, carry on.

Care to offer a rebuttal?

Not necessarily all minors. Where and how do we draw the line?

Conversations. Good, better, best is always something we should strive for even if others seem to be better at it. Thinking above all. Can't get very far if you don't do that well. I would like to help influence as many people towards my, perceived, better way of approaching things, because I think it could do some good. If its not better then I'd like to know what is.

They are my opinions. They can stand or fall on their own. That you need them to come from a 'successful' participant tells me more than I need to know about how you form your opinions.

Again, you need to define your terms: weak, cowardly, ineffectual(not sure how this applies). Confidence can come from anywhere. You've probably seen people with confidence, or something that looks like it, that probably shouldn't for one reason or another, but they have it. That tends to bother people. They judge and deem them not worthy of that confidence. How does that effect you in any meaningful way? It doesn't. Leave them alone to live their lives. Why should they care about living up to your standard(that goes way beyond confidence btw, not sure you were going to put that together)? Can you prove the theft? If not, that's on you, do better. If you can't prove it you are doing something that could be civilly actionable or fire-able. Losing a match, I've done that, twice. First, lost track of time. Second, I miss judged my opponent and lost out on opportunities to attack/score. They are just lessons learned in a sport that doesn't really matter to anyone outside of the community. Even to many in the community, they don't matter all that much. Gassing out, what's the significance? Why should I care?

The words are in the dictionary. Your definition is what’s important. It is not static and challenge you to prove otherwise. Lies Now the burden of proof is on your claim. I can’t wait to see this if you have the gall to try. Wrong. I judge everyone. That surprises me, not at all. Small people with giant egos, judge others. That tracks. Let's be clear, I called you and anyone disrespectful of the anthem a jerk because they are jerkish jerks that jerkishly jerkoff to disrespecful jerks. Yes, I was eluding to you, in fact, uselessly judging people. And it bothers you that no one cares about your opinion hence yelling at clouds. I like this. Some truth. Keep going. HAHA, no humility. You ARE an example for the kids. Why shouldn’t we be more like you? Its turned out so well. I don't want the government taking my money to help people that do not want to be helped(coming from someone with no knowledge of those they are judging, but quick to condemn those to suffer because they don’t live up to your made up standards, very charitable), and do not want the opportunity to help themselves(saw that coming, stuck in an outdated way of thinking, dead set on making people jump as high as you want before you’ll consider lending a hand, you are a horrible person that would rather watch it burn then to help anyone that doesn’t resemble you, there’s a word for that, I’ll bet you can guess and its not ‘conservative’ although it can be considered a synonym). Whatever lifestyle those people are, I don't support my tax dollars going to them and I don't want to be their friend(when self-righteous judgmental bigots, like you, die, we’ll all be better off). I don't want my money going to people with illegal activities or for activities that violate the golden rule, such as the people chanting "Death to America." They only way they should get money from me is if I choose to give to them. And sometimes I do...(I doubt that very much, keep throwing your temper tantrum, no one cares at this point) More lies. (everything you’ve said above this line betrays this comment, you absolutely fear what you don’t understand and don’t want to help anyone in those situations, not because you are informed but precisely because you are not or you would have a sense of compassion and sympathy, which you don’t, you’re ‘More lies’ is in fact a lie and I feel you’re just too scared to admit it because you’ve invested so much of yourself to the lie, tale as old as time) Remind me again how this relates to my youth baseball team reflecting on how they can get better so that umpires do not determine the game's outcome? How does this relate to PA? How widespread was that view? And I guess it was a good thing enough of those personally accountable self-rightous bible thumpers supported desegregation. (stop coaching little league, stop having any influence on young people, your ideology and that’s what it is because it isn’t rooted in fact, is harmful to society as a whole, it fosters hate and fear and you should be ashamed to have some of the ideas that you do considering the wealth of knowledge that we have right now) As fun as this was. This is where I'll leave you.

Are you asking an 'honest question' starting off by saying that I am a 'know nothing'? If so, do you understand how disingenuous that is? But to give you a legit honest answer, I like talking about wrestling and what's goin on in the world. Trying to convince people with moronic ideas that they are just that and would be better off changing their mind.

Appealing to the the lowest common denominator is not a great metric in this case. What an uniformed and potentially bias electorate thinks is not an effective way to determine if material is harmful. How do we define harmful? I'll bet the definition changes from household to household. How do we satisfy every permutation? We can't. Or we can offer up a way to keep their kids from being able to check out this material from the library. A system they can sign up for and determine what is appropriate for their own kids and not everyone else's as well. Is it perfect? No.

I knew you'd weasel out of having to back up your claim. Why break your streak? Scurry away.

If I don't want my child to read something. The best way is to keep it from every child. That's never backfired, ever. Get a hobby or better relationship with your kids.

When might this announcement be coming? Any inside info?

Again, there is no way to nail down 'PA'. It is and I'll say it again, 'whatever I feel is right at the time.' Which is a useless fortune cookie phrase to live by. By holding yourself to a shifting and useless ethical standard, you hold others to it. So your standard becomes the de facto standard you hold everyone else to and judge those that don't live up to it. You're gonna say, 'but i don't judge people.' I will refer you to the anthem discussion where you are whining about others not doing a thing to your standard despite having no knowledge of your standard or caring at all about the imaginary effects it might have on you. And discussing if they should get well deserved scholarship money taken way because of it. Not saying you agreed or not, but that the discussion was happening over a perceived slight is abhorrent. So you do judge people. So certain people are worthy in your eyes and some aren't. How are we to tell the difference? You can just say it. 'I don't like their lifestyle for x, y, or z and so I don't think they deserve aid or comfort for reasons a, b, or c .' At least you'd be honest, you won't have many friends, but you'll be honest. But since you're putting up such a fight over this, I imagine you won't. Thus, people that need and could be helped will go without because self-righteous people can't stomach the idea of people that are 'less than' getting help out of the hole that, likely as not, our systems helped to put them in. This was the argument for filling public pools with concrete after segregation was torn down. 'If they are going to be able to use it then I'd rather no one have it.' Voluntarily cutting of their nose to spite their face. But, ya know, racist!