ThreePointTakedown

Again, planting a seed within the minds of children that they should look inward for help in progressing in their skills. Could leave some to believe that outward expression of their perceived vulnerabilities is wrong. Which could leave a bunch of potential mini-coaches(the kids) from helping each other overcome their senses of shame or inadequacy at not being good, better, or best at certain skills of the game. If everyone helps and is encouraged to seek help. Then we all win. Fears are lessened. Aid is accepted more easily. Pride which might hinder the reaching out for help is replace with gratitude. Your whole model. While not wrong. Is not better or best by any means. And you probably wouldn't vote to fund a clinic that might aid that person in the treatment of their condition. They should look inward and seek the knowledge, courage, and fortitude to pull themselves up by there boot straps and get on the straight and narrow. But that figures.

I don't accept that definition. Those words work perfectly well on their own. With little to know way of explaining how you can, definitively, get to either of them. Win or dominance. Again if you have some knowledge I'm all eyes. The second line. I don't accept your premise. You'll have to define the characteristics of the 'W' word and why they should be considered in a negative way. Then explain the causal relationship to happiness and why its effects on happiness is, again, negative. So how do we proceed from here?

What was my unrecognized privilege again? I'll give you a pat on the back if you can even explain the concept let alone make any sense of your comment.

Please explain the difference? When you can't/won't because there is no difference, I'll accept your defeat and 6-8 oz of tears. Sweet sweet tears!

The tears of the vanquished are the sweetest of all.

Admitting I was lucky enough to have the privilege does not make me a hypocrite. Its the O2 mask scenario. I made something of myself with hard work, luck, and help from others. Now I'm helping others put on their masks so they have the opportunity that I was afforded. Thank you for allowing me to clarify that. You can go back to yelling at clouds.

Nope. That's not how that works. Try again.

Thanks for the input.

Define success for me as you see it?

It comes from how you try to relate to those less fortunate and your suggestions of how they can follow in your example to better their lives. Some could. But others cannot. It is this subsection of people I am trying to tell you, get no benefit from your suggestion, yet you still insist that they should try anyway. As if they hadn't already, to the best of their ability. Its not valid or timeless. One of the things that has helped us survive is that we work together. The weaker among us, need our help to thrive and we are all better for rendering aid. Yes it is entirely virtue signaling. Its tough to hear or admit, I'll bet. If you had evidence of any kind that prove your point, I imagine, you would've provided it. What you're doing is making a moral judgement on anyone that doesn't succeed by using your method. That they are unworthy of help if they do not live up to your make believe standard. I would feel bad if it turned out I felt that way about anyone. Let alone people that really need a helping hand. Systemic issues? Please include examples. They shouldn't be hard to find. I'll wait. Indeed. If you could produce them there would be no need to make this comment at all.

Trying to get narrowminded people with, seemingly, little knowledge as to how quite a few people live in this country and the resources available to them. You prescribe your preferred method of aid and comfort. Method(s) you may have used to get to where you are now. To let you know that, even the very little, that you had to work your way up from wherever you started, is not available to a, not insignificant, number of people in this country and around the world. Your blanket solution to a very complicated problem is ignorant. Especially with as easily as information is available these days. I won't call it malicious, yet. But its easy to find studies and statistics to help fix some of the big problems we have and you seem to be against those options for reasons I haven't been able to pin down. If you think, just be accountable for yourself first, isn't virtue signaling, let me dissuade you of that notion. Because that's exactly what it is. You are better than others because you were able to do it. Not wanting to admit that you couldn't. You needed help too. And what little help you received is unavailable to members of your community. Every second you can't/won't admit it, people that really need help, are going without it. Because people like you are voting, into office, reps that keep us from being able to help.

1st. Too much to type out. What I don't like: a focus on winning as the goal. So much is lost, sacrificed, or abandoned in the quest to win. You're a bad coach if your athletes' only focus is winning a match. Kids should be kids. Teach them how to enjoy a stressful, yet very temporary situation and to find the benefits of working and executing in the absence of getting a hand raised. Their worth is not tied to how many points they can score for the team. 2nd. How do you define 'successful' or 'highly probable'(cuz if you can nail down a probability for certain characteristics to be successful in this sport you should either sell it for a boat load or share it)? Just getting their hand raised? I do not subscribe to that definition. So I feel we would be talking past each other. A successful wrestlers gets out of the sport what they want. That's it. Maintain their fitness and flexibility. Learn some situational awareness. Maybe how to function better/more effectively in a various stressful environments. Use their imagination to see clear and efficient solutions to complex problems before they've even arisen. Up and down the spectrum of success. Plenty of people have gotten what they wanted out of very few wins and I'll bet there are plenty that would admit they wish they could go back and take a different path despite quite a bit of 'success'. I'm one of them. Care to answer those questions yourself? Hope it helps.

Nah, I'm happy to contribute. Wasn't much either. I was one of the lucky ones.

(shrug)

Just curious why they think its disgusting? I guess really what 'it' is that they feel is disgusting. A child dressing up and doing a presentation like an adult would in an environment meant for adults? Ya, that would probably be a little disturbing, the way horror movies are more horrible if a child is used as the terror element. Seems way out of place. But if they mean, dressing up in clothes that, they themselves wouldn't allow their child to dress in and maybe portraying a character in a school play, or just dancing around like children do. What is disgusting about that? That seems like something a child would do. Like putting on their parents' shoes and try to walk around. Adorable! One is disturbing, ya. The other, not at all. Even a little.

Why?

People exist, in this country, probably not far from wherever you live, that do not have enough food to participate at all, let alone have the ability or will to grow their skills sets in any of these sports. If you are just talking about playing in a backyard/sandlot to entertain themselves. Sure this could happen. Kids make up games all the time and they can get pretty good at them. Many if not most do not have professional leagues at all, let alone on tv to provide motivation to help get them out of their situation. If you are trying to say that these sports, as organized leagues, can benefit a child with very limited resources to gain skills and motivation to grow and improve their future outcome. Sure its possible. But again, exceptions do no prove the rule. It seems as if you are, again, trying to insinuate that if one person among countless amounts can achieve in one particular way. Then all can use that same game plan to achieve similar results. No. That's no how things work. Sorry if it hurts but that is ignorant of you if you actually believe that.

Red is my response. No other edits were made. First off...I never took anything personal(where could I have gotten that idea?)...not sure why you always feel like that is what is happening?? I was using myself(there it is) as an example to make the point, which many others have continually tried to make and you just brush over(speaking of brushing over), and that is, people who don't have the resources can get the resources by doing things for themself in order to achieve them. I don’t disagree. But here’s a scenario: you’re a poor child, parents can’t provide you with proper nutrition, what is a higher priority school or food? Another: if you have no models of best practices(and lets just define that as ANYTHING YOU THINK WILL HELP IMPROVE THEIR LIVES IN A MEANINGFUL WAY) in their family/neighborhood, where and how should they look for better influences? Where to get the resources to take advantage of those resources? Point is, there are people in situations that cannot possibly concentrate on the things you feel(privilege) are the right or best things to help them out of their situation. Your situations are different. You see it as me making an excuse. Your situation sucked and not answering the question of wanting others to have to go through what you did, I’ll answer it for you… no you wouldn’t. Because you know how hard it was and don’t want anyone let alone a child to have to go through that if at all possible. Funny part is I KNEW you were going to throw out the word "privilege" eventually. I actually started to address that proactively in my previous post, but decided to let you bring it up...so predictable. I wonder when people like you who find the boogey man in everything, think everyone is a victim (except white heterosexual men), think people don't and shouldn't have or take responsibility to their situation(again, I was talking about children, they should take responsibility for their situation? If you really believe that you are sadder and more angry than I realized) and to do something about it. There is always something or someone to blame for it(describe in detail who I am blaming and for what?). Claiming privilege is a copout in my opinion(again, you lost the thread and the point, privilege can be a passive thing that you have someone else does not, simply because of their circumstances, if you want to have a convo about it, I’d be up for that, or you could read a book about any opinion opposite of your own. I can see that’s probably a long shot). Not because I don't understand(you don’t) or have empathy(you don’t), but it does no one any good using terms like that(or have you been conditioned to see them as evil or wrong and so have this quite emotional response. Because a rational person could handle these concepts and understand how they impact everything and everyone in a society. A society that favors certain characteristics of things/people over others) including the people you think you are trying to "fight for"(I think you don’t like the people I fight for and your solution is tant amount to punishing them to do things EXACTLY how you did them, which could charitably be considered abuse or neglect. So again, sorry for your childhood). Why make excuses(new understanding of group dynamics and psychology might frighten you but these things are real and have tangible effects, again, happy to talk to you about them if you’d like) for them versus empower them and telling them they can get out of the "cycle"(question, which do you think would’ve worked better, ‘empowering’ slaves to improve their lives or ‘enforce’ equal rights/treatment and change the system that keeps them in the cycle? You probably won’t answer but its ‘enforce’) ?? Or is it easier to bring out how crappy slavery was, oppression was, etc., in the past(we both agree it was bad, right?... Right?)? I personally think that does nothing for people other than allow them an excuse to not help themselves and to blame someone(does this mean we cannot help anyone, can’t teach anyone to fish, they have to figure it out themselves?). This isn't the 40's/50's any longer. We have made GREAT progress in regard to equality(are you sure, poverty rates by demographics are pretty skewed, generational wealth gap W vs B is quite substantial) and access to resources no matter where you happen to be born(HERE IT IS! THIS SENTENCES IS WHERE YOU HAVE IT WRONG, sorry for yelling but wanted to make sure I had your attention, probably not at this point. Access. To. Resources. Is. NOT. EQUAL! That you don’t know that or won’t admit it IS. YOUR. PRIVILEGE. SHOWING. ITS. ASS!). I have a feeling you are too young to have any sort of perspective other than what you read in liberal literature and what you hear at the whacky liberal education institution you work. You are probably basing it off of what 25 years on earth? Maybe start listening to people that have been here 50+ years and have seen how much progress has been made?? I’m sorry your upbringing informed you that your ‘normal’ was ideal or sought after as a useful way to raise a child, children, or how to grow a healthy society. Plain and simple. It isn’t! You shouldn’t have been put in that position and I hope you wouldn’t want anyone else to struggle the way you did if you could help. The way you, I, and most of us was not ideal for healthy people in society. Some of us have figured that out and are working to correct our misapprehensions. So as not to pass them on to the next generation. By the way I have nothing against education jobs or the people who work in them...(your last comment does not seem to back that up) I think most of them are amazing human beings...as long as they don't bring their political agenda into the classroom and try to brainwash the kids. Heck, my kid tells me about what some teachers say(and I’m sure you don’t keep other points of view from them or not-so-subtly influence the information they are exposed to, so as to protect them from the evils of having a different opinion as you)...good thing he is a kid that thinks for himself and always looks at all kinds of perspectives before he makes an opinion(based on our conversations and who they are modeling after, I doubt that very much, but fingers crossed)...it is sad when he tells me about some of his peers who just takes what their teacher(makes it seems that you believe you are the soul provider of ‘correct’ information or opininos. That doesn’t scream maniacal overlord at all), MSM, social media, etc. spew word for word without thinking about it themselves. Good talk.

Would this person need to know of the sport of baseball to practice and get better at it?

Funny joke. Ouch. Not sure you're seeing my point at all. And you're taking my comment as a personal attack on you. Why is that? Did I reference you specifically? No. Regulate your emotions and try to read the words without putting you and your trauma into the situation and twisting it. I'm sorry you needed to work when you should've been able to be a kid. Must've been tough in hindsight. But I imagine you felt it was just what you needed to do to get where you wanted to go? What are the pros and cons of growing up like that( I didn't, I'm interested to know)? Would you do it again given the opportunity? Would you wish that childhood on anyone else, why or why not? 3rd. Never said you or anyone else shouldn't have a chance. The scenario is getting better at elements of a sport that needs equipment. If you don't have the necessary equipment how much better could you possibly be or get? What I was trying to highlight was that people, mostly children, that do not have the exposure to things or the resources to get better at those things to improve their lives/station will, like you, have to work much harder than might've otherwise be necessary as a CHILD. So the example of already having bats, balls, gloves, and a team to practice with breaks down if you don't have those things to start with. Which is, sorry for the woke term, a privilege you don't realize you have. You probably would've turned out different had you had the privilege of not having to work for every little thing. The argument would then turn to, would your outcome be better or worse with that privilege. But you probably suffered more trauma living the way you did that could've been mitigated by having a few things that most people take for granted: baseball bat or glove to take to little league. Can't be wrong at something I never said. Do you have a bias against educational jobs or people that work them?

Just to clarify your choice of words, do you think they are having this done TO them and not making the choice themselves?

All paid off, every cent.

Did I? Nope. Was I? Nope. What I made reference to you saying is that you will believe something until it is proven to be untrue. Which as we all know is the hallmark of a deep and thorough thinker. Quite measured in their reason and intelligibility. I appealed to your relentlessly meticulous nature of reading every word of every post. Thoughtfully digesting and crafty a well reasoned response. But if you need a win so badly, because you get so few. I guess that's on me. I'll chose my words more carefully so as not to be so wildly misinterpreted as is your default setting.

Did you ask them how they would go about getting better at fielding if they didn't have a glove or better at batting if they couldn't afford a bat or how to get better at baseball if they couldn't afford to play on a team? I'm curious what their ideas would be. Your example doesn't work. Some people are born without a bat, glove, or team. You can't use accountability or pull up boot straps if you don't have boots. The suggestion that someone should look towards successful people from outside of their own immediate environment and then model that behavior in the hopes of rising to or matching their level of success, is interesting. I would love to understand your reasoning behind this hypothesis. A book to consider: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK547371/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9887492/ Findings In this cohort study of 139 484 individuals, TGD people had elevated overall mortality compared with cisgender people, specifically deaths from external causes (suicides, homicides, and accidental poisonings), endocrine disorders, and other ill-defined and unspecified causes. Transfeminine individuals had a decreased cancer mortality risk compared with cisgender women but the same risk as cisgender men, whereas transmasculine individuals had the same cancer mortality risk as cisgender people. Meaning These findings highlight the need to develop interventions to prevent suicide, homicide, and accidental poisonings to reduce mortality for TGD individuals. Are you pro-life?