Happy Independence Day!!

[red viking]

27 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Just hand it out.  No questions asked.   No fraud here.

They know it's gonna be a huge problem, based upon what's occurred at state level. That's why it doesn't kick in until 2028. 

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18 hours ago, red viking said:

Oh yah, I haven't lost any rights. Just people w brown skin and women. I'm a white male so it's all good. 

women are gaining the right to privacy!!

[Offthemat]

19 hours ago, red viking said:

Oh yah, I haven't lost any rights. Just people w brown skin and women. I'm a white male so it's all good. 

You’re still talking entitlements.

[red viking]

13 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You’re still talking entitlements.

No. The right to remove a fetus from life support. 

[Offthemat]

21 minutes ago, red viking said:

No. The right to remove a fetus from life support. 

It’s not a right, it was a crime for the first 200 years of this country.  If you steal a stop sign and it causes an accident that kills a pregnant woman, you can be charged for two counts of murder.  Abortion is now legal in some states, not in others.  Your concern is that it’s not federally funded everywhere. 

[red viking]

30 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

It’s not a right, it was a crime for the first 200 years of this country.  If you steal a stop sign and it causes an accident that kills a pregnant woman, you can be charged for two counts of murder.  Abortion is now legal in some states, not in others.  Your concern is that it’s not federally funded everywhere. 

It's a god given right, per our great founding fathers. There's no more fundamental freedom than the freedom over what's inside your own body. See Roe v Wade. Before we had activist judges. 

[Offthemat]

 

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love to see the works our founding fathers put together for that abomination

tell me which federalist papers to read 

[red viking]

46 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

love to see the works our founding fathers put together for that abomination

tell me which federalist papers to read 

Ever hear about freedom and liberty? Do a word count for those 2 words. 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, red viking said:

Ever hear about freedom and liberty? Do a word count for those 2 words. 

Awww.  Couldn’t find it in the doc now could you. 

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11 minutes ago, red viking said:

Ever hear about freedom and liberty? Do a word count for those 2 words. 

so point me to a part of the constitution. or a federalist paper... or any other work that a founding father

that said a woman could abort any red parasite viking 

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

so point me to a part of the constitution. or a federalist paper... or any other work that a founding father

that said a woman could abort any red parasite viking 

Abortion badically didn't exist back then. Otherwise they would.

[Offthemat]

16 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion badically didn't exist back then. Otherwise they would.

Ignorance.  Abortion was addressed by Hippocrates, circa 400 BC. 

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26 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion badically didn't exist back then. Otherwise they would.

have outlawed it.

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and basically. you have. nothing.

[Offthemat]

 

[Caveira]

30 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion badically didn't exist back then. Otherwise they would.

Ancient Practices

• Ancient Egypt (circa 1550 BCE): The Ebers Papyrus, a medical text from this period, describes methods to induce abortion using herbal remedies, such as a tampon made of plant fibers coated with honey and crushed dates.muvs.org+6cnn.com+6genuinecollective.org+6

• Ancient Mesopotamia: Babylonian medical texts mention abortifacients like the plant namruqqu, which was mixed into beer to induce miscarriage .worldhistory.org

• Ancient Greece and Rome: Abortion was generally accepted and practiced using various methods. Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle discussed abortion in the context of population control. In Rome, herbal abortifacients such as silphium and pennyroyal were commonly used.en.wikipedia.org+4sapiens.org+4genuinecollective.org+4

[Caveira]

38 minutes ago, red viking said:

Abortion badically didn't exist back then. Otherwise they would.

Soooooo

the founding fathers were super pro abortion.  They knew about it from ancient times.   And yet they didn’t bother to put it in the documents?

weird.  
 

sounds like you need a better explanation. 

[red viking]

Note that I used the word "basically." As if not in an absolute sense but the amount was extremely negligible due to technological constraints. 

Wingers can't read, don't understand science and don't have any logic skills. 

Edited Saturday at 08:05 PM by red viking

[red viking]

49 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

Ancient Practices

• Ancient Egypt (circa 1550 BCE): The Ebers Papyrus, a medical text from this period, describes methods to induce abortion using herbal remedies, such as a tampon made of plant fibers coated with honey and crushed dates.muvs.org+6cnn.com+6genuinecollective.org+6

• Ancient Mesopotamia: Babylonian medical texts mention abortifacients like the plant namruqqu, which was mixed into beer to induce miscarriage .worldhistory.org

• Ancient Greece and Rome: Abortion was generally accepted and practiced using various methods. Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle discussed abortion in the context of population control. In Rome, herbal abortifacients such as silphium and pennyroyal were commonly used.en.wikipedia.org+4sapiens.org+4genuinecollective.org+4

Show me where that discusses colonial America. 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Show me where that discusses colonial America. 

• Constitution's Silence:

  The Founding Fathers did not include abortion in the Constitution because it was not a pressing concern of the time, and it was largely seen as a private matter best left to individual decisions and common law. The Constitution focuses on broader principles of governance and individual liberties, not specific medical procedures or social issues. 

   
• Evolving Attitudes:

  Attitudes towards abortion began to shift in the mid-1800s, with some physicians seeking to criminalize it, leading to the gradual adoption of laws restricting abortion in the late 19th century

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11 minutes ago, red viking said:

Note that I used the word "basically." As if not in an absolute sense but the amount was extremely negligible due to technological constraints. 

Wingers can't read, don't understand science and don't have any logic skills. 

there is a word for this wordsmithing

it's on the tip of my tongue...

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3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

• Constitution's Silence:

  The Founding Fathers did not include abortion in the Constitution because it was not a pressing concern of the time, and it was largely seen as a private matter best left to individual decisions and common law. The Constitution focuses on broader principles of governance and individual liberties, not specific medical procedures or social issues. 

   
• Evolving Attitudes:

  Attitudes towards abortion began to shift in the mid-1800s, with some physicians seeking to criminalize it, leading to the gradual adoption of laws restricting abortion in the late 19th century

in other words... leftists hell bent on killing the unborn for some reason or another, didn't really exist yet

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

• it was largely seen as a private matter best left to individual decisions...

BINGO

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

BINGO

So you still didn’t find it in the constitution?