Sasso's shooter has been sentenced.

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said:

so you think murderer can be rehabilitated? interesting take. 

Oh...man, I have some OUTSTANDING news for you! 

Sammy Sasso is alive! That's...primarily when the Death Penalty was ruled out as an option.

 

Now to answer the strawman answer... yes. I think when they're 16-years-old at the time, I don't THINK they can, I know for a fact they can as they have. I don't think many 16-year-old kids are irredeemable...AFTER they serve their sentence(though you already have him joining a gang and I thought you said something about being dead by then. 

 

But if you don't believe in 2 Corinthians 6:2, Acts 2:38, John 3:3-7, OR 1 John 1:9...or the Bible at all, that's fine. I understand. A lot of people tout their Christian Virtues, but then, even when it's easy, they fall short...as opposed to Sasso, when it was, I'd imagine, incredibly difficult, he epitomized them. 

Edited yesterday at 06:58 AM by scourge165

[rpbobcat]

Any word on what happened to the woman that was there with the shooter ?

Edited yesterday at 12:13 PM by rpbobcat

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 4/11/2025 at 4:00 PM, pokemonster said:

This part was even worse... wtf is he even talking about? His son never had a gun? Students and athletes have an arrogancy on campus? Apple doesn't fall far from the tree it seems. 

 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/10/ohio-state-wrestler-sammy-sasso-teen-carjacking-sentencing-olympics/82989712007/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJmU3pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHsA-zT4PxQfl0sUspGAxFMDQkJnebkeUv0wNqJKym2cL5eOjCsTahmPyLtRl_aem_xT1JX-a0Q_HDJWvrQzX22w

Cecil Brown, who identified himself as Lee's father, also spoke on Lee's behalf, saying he was willing to do his son's prison time for him.

"He’s not a bad person. I know a lot of parents say that about their kids," Brown said. "Students, athletes, there’s an arrogancy on campus that’s happening as I speak. Elijah never had a gun. The worst Elijah would do is being caught with a stolen car."

Is it even a wonder that this guy had a history of stealing cars and now attempted murder? His father makes excuses and enables him instead of instilling values like taking responsibility for his actions. He shot someone and ruined their life. Luckily Sammy Sasso is the kind of person who can pick himself up and will build a brand new life for himself. This guy is doing his son no favors by completely downplaying what he did and volunteering to serve his time for him so he can walk away with no consequences for what he did? He has taken bad parenting up a notch here.

Edited yesterday at 12:46 PM by JimmyCinnabon

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 4/13/2025 at 4:48 AM, scourge165 said:

This is a 16 year old kid that Sammy Sasso himself, the man harmed by this has forgiven.

And there's nothing "soft" about being against the death penalty. 

3 reasons

-They started doing DNA testing on inmates who'd been sentenced to death in the 80s and 90s in Texas. They stopped after about 300 as they found in at least 10% of the cases, they'd found evidence to exonerate the person put to death and in others, information that wasn't known. 

Later on, but also in Texas, a man named Claude Jones was put to death. George Bush Jr refused a 30 day stay so they could get the test results back on the hair, a single strand of hair that connected him to the murder. 
The DNA came back. It was not him. He was exonerated...but dead.
They then took a look at ANOTHER 400 cases. 41 had DNA evidence exonerating them, many of the time evidence including DNA that could have exonerated them were just ignored. 21 cases in Dallas alone, but 41 in Texas(again, out of 400, so ~10%). 

-Look at the Church Shooting with Dylan Roof. Remember that? He went in, they prayed with him, they brought him food, they listened to him...and I believe he came back a couple times. Obviously the last time, he executed them. Left one women scared to death, she was going to die. He left her to tell people what happened. 

-The Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania. I think there were 10 kids shot, 6 girls, babies dead. 

What did the Amish do? They went the home of the shooter, they prayed for him, they brought food to the Mother and they helped raise money for her(I don't know why they did the latter, but it's not the point). 

They forgave. 

 

Now...if you hurt my family, I am not a big enough Man to do what Sammy did(though it wasn't his family hurt, it was him) but certainly I can respect what he did.

 

This is a 16-year-old-kid. He may end up never coming out of it. 

He also has a chance to get out by 22 or 24(I don't know what the truth in sentencing laws are in Ohio) but...man, I carry around anger. 

 

 

AT the end of the day, ALL you are is the DASH between two numbers and how people remember you. I wish I could be more like those people and try and forgive. Maybe you know Sammy and it's more difficult for you. I don't know.

 

I just know if Sammy Sasso can do that for a 16-year-old-kid, then I can as well....and I hope that kid gets his GED and I hope he can come back and work with the kids like him as so many before him have done so. 

I certainly don't want to live in a world where you just write off a 16-year-old kid and effectively say, his dash is complete. Maybe it will be...but that's still up to him. Perhaps Sammy made that easier for him today.

 

Either way, I'm pretty sure Sammy is better off not hold that type of hate....justified though it may be. 

This is why I am against the death penalty. It's not that I don't think we have people who deserve it, it's that we cannot guarantee we will not put an innocent person to death. A matter of fact we have put innocent people to death. You gave examples and there is just no way we have gotten 100% of of the death penalty sentences correct.

We are always 100% sure that someone committed a crime right up until we find out we are wrong and putting even one person who is innocent to death is too many. Not only that but there is a whole other issue of using the death penalty for other crimes aside from murder that would likely harm people even more. 

[jross]

23 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

This is why I am against the death penalty. It's not that I don't think we have people who deserve it, it's that we cannot guarantee we will not put an innocent person to death.