Iowa style and Bassett's dreams

[okokzach]

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[ionel]

7 minutes ago, okokzach said:

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[BAC]

13 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I'll play by the rules low IQ PSU fans use and apply them to PSU. 

Bassett wants to be an olympic champ, lets look at the last cycle.

HWC: Silver

NLWC:

Zain either not ready at all of taken out by a training accident the coaches should have protected from. Typical PSU SNAFU.

Brooks, taken down with regular butt drag and then chokes. Wasn't mentally ready obviously.

Dake and Snyder both getting worse and worse. 

Why would Bassett go to PSU?

I'm all for trolling overzealous fans, I really am.  But you picked a pretty tough angle of attack here.

I'm glad Spencer medaled.  NLWC accounted for two medals in 2024 (Brooks, Dake) to HWC's one, but even that doesn't begin to tell the story. 

Fully two-thirds of the men's freestyle Olympians (Brooks, Zain, Dake, Snyder) were NLWC.  Just Lee for HWC.  Fully two-thirds of the Olympic alternates were NLWC (N Lee, Taylor, Gilman, Nolf).  None for HWC. The finals of the trials was basically a NLWC intra-squad dual meet.

Overall medals too. Of the finalists, HWC athletes accounted for just the one medal, while the NLWC finalists accounted for about 28. Probably a third of those medals were when some the athletes were with their prior clubs, but it's still a whole bunch to just Spencer (and give HWC Gilman's 2017 medal too.)

A bunch of other NLWC athletes made deep runs too, but can you even name any other HWC athletes at OTTs? I think maybe Marinelli was there, who's retired now. Is that it?  Maybe Cassioppi? Did he win a match? Can you even name any other HWC athletes?  I remember a few guys got steamrolled at the Last Chance Qualifier. Maybe they should rename the HWC to the SLC (Spencer Lee Club).

And don't get me started on Spencer, one of my favorites.  How many times did Hawk coaches prioritize their NCAA aspirations over Lee's health and USA's success?  They inherited a 3x age-group world champion, and he didn't see the international mats again until last year. I'm glad to see him take silver but with his two bum knees, I don't think anyone expects him to be on the mats much longer.

I already made the argument in another thread (before he made his choice) that Iowa was probably the right pick for Bassett, given my understanding of his main goal (e.g. to be the main face of a program and build his brand). But if freestyle success were his top goal, I don't think there's any serious question he's at the wrong place.  You don't need to be a PSU fanboy to know that.

[Hammerlock3]

47 minutes ago, BAC said:

I'm all for trolling overzealous fans, I really am.  But you picked a pretty tough angle of attack here.

I'm glad Spencer medaled.  NLWC accounted for two medals in 2024 (Brooks, Dake) to HWC's one, but even that doesn't begin to tell the story. 

Fully two-thirds of the men's freestyle Olympians (Brooks, Zain, Dake, Snyder) were NLWC.  Just Lee for HWC.  Fully two-thirds of the Olympic alternates were NLWC (N Lee, Taylor, Gilman, Nolf).  None for HWC. The finals of the trials was basically a NLWC intra-squad dual meet.

Overall medals too. Of the finalists, HWC athletes accounted for just the one medal, while the NLWC finalists accounted for about 28. Probably a third of those medals were when some the athletes were with their prior clubs, but it's still a whole bunch to just Spencer (and give HWC Gilman's 2017 medal too.)

A bunch of other NLWC athletes made deep runs too, but can you even name any other HWC athletes at OTTs? I think maybe Marinelli was there, who's retired now. Is that it?  Maybe Cassioppi? Did he win a match? Can you even name any other HWC athletes?  I remember a few guys got steamrolled at the Last Chance Qualifier. Maybe they should rename the HWC to the SLC (Spencer Lee Club).

And don't get me started on Spencer, one of my favorites.  How many times did Hawk coaches prioritize their NCAA aspirations over Lee's health and USA's success?  They inherited a 3x age-group world champion, and he didn't see the international mats again until last year. I'm glad to see him take silver but with his two bum knees, I don't think anyone expects him to be on the mats much longer.

I already made the argument in another thread (before he made his choice) that Iowa was probably the right pick for Bassett, given my understanding of his main goal (e.g. to be the main face of a program and build his brand). But if freestyle success were his top goal, I don't think there's any serious question he's at the wrong place.  You don't need to be a PSU fanboy to know that.

Yeah, I wasn't making an actual argument. If I was trolling I wouldn't have added the first sentence. Its just worth occasionally pointing out that some people play by stupid rules on here.

[BAC]

10 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Yeah, I wasn't making an actual argument. If I was trolling I wouldn't have added the first sentence. Its just worth occasionally pointing out that some people play by stupid rules on here.

Fair enough brother. Cheers.

[1032004]

3 hours ago, BAC said:

I'm all for trolling overzealous fans, I really am.  But you picked a pretty tough angle of attack here.

I'm glad Spencer medaled.  NLWC accounted for two medals in 2024 (Brooks, Dake) to HWC's one, but even that doesn't begin to tell the story. 

Fully two-thirds of the men's freestyle Olympians (Brooks, Zain, Dake, Snyder) were NLWC.  Just Lee for HWC.  Fully two-thirds of the Olympic alternates were NLWC (N Lee, Taylor, Gilman, Nolf).  None for HWC. The finals of the trials was basically a NLWC intra-squad dual meet.

Overall medals too. Of the finalists, HWC athletes accounted for just the one medal, while the NLWC finalists accounted for about 28. Probably a third of those medals were when some the athletes were with their prior clubs, but it's still a whole bunch to just Spencer (and give HWC Gilman's 2017 medal too.)

A bunch of other NLWC athletes made deep runs too, but can you even name any other HWC athletes at OTTs? I think maybe Marinelli was there, who's retired now. Is that it?  Maybe Cassioppi? Did he win a match? Can you even name any other HWC athletes?  I remember a few guys got steamrolled at the Last Chance Qualifier. Maybe they should rename the HWC to the SLC (Spencer Lee Club).

And don't get me started on Spencer, one of my favorites.  How many times did Hawk coaches prioritize their NCAA aspirations over Lee's health and USA's success?  They inherited a 3x age-group world champion, and he didn't see the international mats again until last year. I'm glad to see him take silver but with his two bum knees, I don't think anyone expects him to be on the mats much longer.

I already made the argument in another thread (before he made his choice) that Iowa was probably the right pick for Bassett, given my understanding of his main goal (e.g. to be the main face of a program and build his brand). But if freestyle success were his top goal, I don't think there's any serious question he's at the wrong place.  You don't need to be a PSU fanboy to know that.

Rutgers (Rivera) probably had the most impressive performance at the Olympics