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Artalona was injured mid season in 2019-2020? It looks like he wrestled in two duals.

Didn't he also win his first NCAA title without an ACL?

Below is a summary of some multiple R12 wrestlers. Missouri seems to excel in this category. They have 10 qualifiers this year with 6 R12 finishes by 5 wrestlers. 4xers None? 3xers Micky Phillippi RS-RS-R12-NQ/COVID-R12-R12-NQ/going for 4 Max Murin RS-R12-NQ/COVID-R12-R12-NQ/going for 4 Pat Pitsch RS-R16-R12-R12-R12 Dave Kennedy RS-Backup-R12-R12-R12 George DiCamillo R12-RS-R12-R12-2nd Taylor Venz RS-4th-R12-NQ/COVID-R12-R12 2xers Anthony Artalona R12-Backup/COVID-COVID/Ivy-R12-NQ/going for 3 Josh Humphreys R12-NQ/COVID-Inj-R12-NQ/going for 3 Jared Franek RS-NQ/COVID-R12-R12-NQ/going for 3 Zach Elam R12-RS-R16-R12-NQ/going for 3 Jake Sueflohn NQ-R12-R16-Med RS-R12 Cash Wilcke RS-R12-R12-R16-Backup/COVID Mark McKnight R12-R12-RS/Transfer-R16-4th David Terao RS-NQ-R12-R12-4th Dan Valimont RS-R12-3rd-R12-2nd

He is probably the closest so far. He was R16 as a freshman in 2005. R16-R12-R12-R12.

Cash Wilcke was somewhat close. RS-R12-R12-R16-Covid. Covid didn't really cost him anything as he was beat out by Assad.

I think he wasn't that close. He went 1-2 as a freshman-R12-R16-Medical-R12. Only a 2xer R12. I thought David Terao was going to this ignominy as a senior when he spoiled it with a 4th place finish, but I misremembered. He was 1-2,R12,R12,4th. Mark McKnight was also somewhat close. R12-R12-Transfer/redshirt-R16-4th and that 4th place finish, like Terao's, was somewhat of an unexpected run.

Has anyone ever accomplished the unique achievement of sending the season in the R12 at NCAAs 4x? Two wrestlers could get it done this season. Micky Phillippi RS-Med/Transfer inelligible-R12-COVID-R12-R12-? Max Murin RS-R12-COVID-R12-R12-? This year Phillippi is the 9 seed with a crazy difficult draw to the semis Teske, Nagao/Henson, RBY. Meanwhile Murin is the 8 seed in a similar position. He has Burgos in the first round, but Milner is his likely 2nd round opponent. Milner beat him last year in the R12 8-1 en route to a 6th place finish. Should he get past Milner he will likely face Yianni D. in the quarters. Do you think either of these guys make it 4x R12?

I think a 6 seed is someone generous for Kennedy but you are correct that he was unlucky given those seeded around him. He has only lost 6 matches in the past two seasons. One was to Bull, his erstwhile teammate. One was to David Carr. The other 4 are all in his quarterfinal bracket at NCAAs (2x Hamiti, 1x Hall, 1x Formato). So he has a guy that beat him in the first round. In the second round he has Amine who is a returning AA and an above average 11 seed albeit someone he beat at Big Tens. Then if he makes it to the Quarters he likely has Hamiti who has defeated him twice, but possibly Peyton Hall who has also defeated him

Is that an A for Starocci and Brooks or A minus? It seems like it is A minus, but you may have just changed format for these two individuals. Previously and subsequently you had a period after the grade and all minus grades did not have a space after the letter. These guys don't have a period and there is a space between the grade and the - so I'm not sure if this is a minus or a dash.

He was also a transfer of sorts from PSU. https://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/history/index.php?view=wrestlerstats&wrestler=489

Jones is the oldest ever NCAA champion. He was 27 years old when he won the title. No idea of the oldest AA.

Back to the topic at hand Couture was about 3 months shy of his 29th birthday when he lost in the NCAA final to Mark Kerr.

That's fair. July I'd count with high school too.

Ah yeah. For whatever reason that 1977 junior world title wasn't showing in Lewis's database entry. Not sure when in 1977 that tournament was contested, but junior worlds at least in recent years are held in the October-November time frame. I think in October 1977 Lewis would have been in his first semester at the University of Iowa. So it perhaps is a little unfair to include that in high school accolades if it was in October/November 1977 and possibly after Lewis had already represented Iowa in competition. On the other hand Lewis would have turned 18 in June 1977 so he was a fairly young college freshman. Still I would count something he did after graduating high school and starting classes in college among high school accolades. On the other hand Storley was comparatively older when he graduated high school and turned 19 the September he started at Minnesota.

Storley won a junior world title? Which year? I don't see his name on the list linked below, nor was it in his entry in the UWW database. The only thing there was 8th place at the 2011 Junior World Cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cadet,_Junior,_and_Espoir_World_Champions_in_men's_freestyle_wrestling

Wrestlestat has him at 95. If he wins NCAAs that will be 5 more. Consolations will depend a little on when you enter them. If he loses in the semis then 3rd is the only way to get to 5 Ws. If he loses earlier he can win 5 with a lower placement.

Well it looks like you were right on all counts. Ramirez won and wrestlestat now has Monday's win total at 93 after EIWAs. I think he somehow lost a win on there since we initially discussed this. I thought he was at 90 on wrestle stat with a Bucknell dual, EIWAs and NCAAs to get 90 wins. Now after 3 wins at EIWAs and the 1 against BUcknell they have him at EIWAs he has 93, so he lost one, but it wasn't that Michael Wilson match. Either that or I was wrong to start. 7 wins at NCAAs is not I'm possible, but without a pigtail the only way to get 7 Ws would be to lose in either the first or second round and wrestle all the way back to place 3rd.

Pat Smith has the longest unbeaten streak in OSU history with 98 straight matches. John Smith is second with 90 followed by Dieringer with 82. John Smith's and Dieringer's streaks are wining streaks. Pat Smith drew a match his junior year. The top three winning streaks would be John Smith (90), Alex Dieringer (82), Mike Sheets (74). Kyle Dake has the longest winning streak in Cornell history with 77 straight. Second Is Yianni with 75. Gabe Dean is in 3rd position with 52 straight wins. Ben Askren owns the longest winning streak in Missouri history with 87 straight. Second is probably J'den Cox with 57 straight. Nick Gwiazdowski has the longest winning streak in NC State history with 84 matches. Cole Konrad has the longest winning streak in MN history with 76 straight wins. Dustin Schlatter is second with 65 followed by Tim Hartung with 58. Stephen Abas won 95 straight matches at Fresno State.

Jim Zalesky has the longest winning streak in the history of Iowa wrestling, 89 straight. Troy Steiner is second with 74. Followed by Metcalf and Tom Brands with 69. Zain Retherford has the longest winning streak in PSU wrestling history with 94 straight. Ed Ruth is second with 84 Straight. Kerry McCoy 3rd with 73.

Maybe CMU should consider dropping the sport too?

This has been a pretty unpredictable year. Still I suspect this will shake themselves out before NCAAs and we won't seen any unseeded finalists in Tulsa.

That bracket (149, 2008) gets all the attention. I always thought 157 from 2009 was as good or better and most of the hype surrounding 149 was from ultimately how they developed later on and was not there before the bracket was wrestled like 133 would have been in 2020. That's 8 NCAA titles and an additional 5 finals appearances. Every wrestler at least wrestled in an NCAA final and 6/8 won it. That's mostly retrospective though. The only guy with a title at this point was Schlatter and the only one with a finals appearance was Churella who lost in the 2007 final. Ryan Lang, 2nd at 141 in 2007, was in this bracket and DNPed as well as Don Fisch (5th 141 2007). Jake Patacsil, Adam Hall, and Bryce Saddoris were also in the bracket and went on to AA later in their careers. This bracket only features three wrestlers that would ultimately win 4 NCAA titles and 4 other finals appearances. The difference is that most of that had happened before this bracket was wrestled. Gillespie had won a title at 149 in 2007 and many of those guys from 149 in 2008 were in that and Poeta and Lee were the returning finalists from the previous year. Also J.P. O'Connor placed in the 2008 149lb bracket moved up and DNP. Cyler Sanderson was a returning AA (7th 157) who DNPed. Finally Adam Hall, Jason Welch and Justin Gaethje were in the bracket too.

Isn't the choice between these two obvious? The only difference is Eggum and Jones in 2000 vs Hahn and Lambrecht in 2001. I'd say Hahn and Lambrecht>Eggum and Jones. Nate Patrick was also in both brackets (2 seed in 2001) and Scott Justus who would be the 1 seed the following year in a bracket that is better for the busted discussion.

unseeded finalists