Jamie_Taco

Also, thanks for explaining what a silver platter means LOL. Again, where are you getting these statements? I never said PSU got anything handed to them on a silver platter, so where is that coming from? I said Iowa never recruited like PSU is currently recruiting and then provided the documented facts to back that up. You don't like the recruiting rankings from back in the day, and that's fine, but it doesn't make them any less real lol. Again, it's my facts (the rankings) vs your opinions. Pretty easy to poo on rankings after you know how it all panned out .

Holy shit. My "logic" is based on actual recruiting rankings. Yours is off your opinion 30+ years after the fact. Lol how TF is this so hard for you to grasp?

I also forgot to respond to this and couldn't just leave it lol. Again, where did I say anything about PSU not developing guys and saying it's all about the bag man? The fact is, combined with development, they are recruiting insanely well. Better than we've ever seen a program recruit at this level (and the senior level with NLWC). Just because the two programs and dynasties were built differently doesn't make one morally better than the other. Honestly, you seem to be the one with the insecurities about how PSU has built its dynasty.

Dude, I never said anything close to Gable just taking ragtag guys. Not at all. I posted the recruiting numbers for both coaches, which are what they are, even if you don't agree with them 30-40 years later. My first post in this thread showed that Gable had top recruits throughout his career. Not as many as you might think, but he obviously got top-rated kids to Iowa City. I also said Gable was a master motivator and great at evaluating and developing talent. Again, see Chris Campbell. This idea from some that he was recruiting like PSU is recruiting is what I am arguing against. And you are right that Iowa is #2 right now. They are #2 all-time behind Okie State and #2 currently behind PSU. Quite a ways behind in both, sadly (for me lol). However, this conversation really has nothing to do with that. Where was the PSU program ranked in the 80s and 90s?

Ah yes, so Gable was able to evaluate talent better than the rankings system and most coaches. Again, I already agreed with this, but we are talking about stockpiling the top HS recruits, which is based on a ranking system. It also helped that Royce was born and raised in Iowa City.

You're arguing it but have not done a single thing to prove it besides sharing a story you read about 30 years after his recruitment. I provided the actual rankings from 1983. It doesn't matter if you think they are wrong or not. They are the rankings. So I will ask one more time. Please show us ANY other ranking system from Royce's senior year that had him listed as a top recruit. Do it or just take the L. Also, who TF is arguing that PSU isn't destroying the field? I think we all agree there lol.

@scourge165 is also going with the ol "the rankings were wrong" argument to prove his point. How convenient to look back and make that determination after the fact lol. Again, show us literally anything from 1983 where Alger was listed as a top-rated HS recruit and I will admit I am wrong. You can't though lol.

Lol DERP

You were right about one story and one wrestler over a 21-year career . I thanked you for educating me but it does very little to prove anyone trying to say that Iowa stockpiled top recruits. If you think the ASIC All-American lists are comically bad, I encourage you to link us to a different ranking system from 1983 that had Alger on it.

I mean, we have to say that because again, he wasn't a top-rated recruit according to the people who actually ranked HS recruits back then. This isn't up for debate. If you want to say that Gable could evaluate talent and ability better than most, sure, I agree with you there, but he wasn't just taking the top recruits at the time. I didn't know that story about Ryan, so thank you for sharing. You can go add one more top wrestler to Gable's recruits. It still doesn't do anything to move the needle in terms of comparison to what's currently happening at PSU. I just proved this with documented facts.

Guessing?! Keep reading, bud.

I am not arguing, I am schooling. You enjoy yours as well. Go Wild and Timberwolves

This man gets hit with the facts and instead of being an adult and admitting he was wrong, he makes a menstrual cycle joke. You're an assclown lol. "I HaVe NoThInG aGaInSt IoWa AnD tHeIr PrOgRaM"

No, your opinions just got debunked with the facts.

Hypothetically, let's say Iowa was giving out ten extra scholarships per year from 1976-1990, wouldn't that make their recruiting look even worse? 11 top HS recruits in 15 years while also having extra scholarship money to dish out doesn't exactly jibe with your theory. You know, you can just admit that you are wrong and we can all move on, right?

No, my comment had a typo that I already edited 30 seconds after I posted it lol: I think it's pretty obvious those extra scholarships weren't being used to stockpile the nation's best HS recruits.

LOL dude. Even with the facts presented, you just can't admit you're wrong. So Gable, without Flo and the internet, was somehow able to get all over the country and find the top guys that the media and other programs just didn't know about or didn't rank correctly? Is that really the argument you're trying to make here? Also, egregiously?! You realize it came out to like 1.25 extra scholarships per year from 1987-1990, right? “The powerhouse Iowa wrestling program reportedly was five scholarships over the limit during the period.” And since Gable only signed 11 top-ranked kids in those 15 years in question, I think it's pretty obvious those extra scholarships weren't being used to stockpile the nation's best HS recruits. Again, one person here is providing the facts. The other is providing their own personal opinions and hindsight.

Your computer might have the AIDS..

Also, I have to correct something from earlier. I said there were seven 4x Iowa champs prior to Royce's HS days, but I was mistaken about his graduating year. There would have only been five 4xers prior to 1983 (Bob Steenlage, Jeff Kerber, Scott Morningstar, Joe Gibbons, Greg Randall).

Again, he was not. Royce graduated in 1983 from Lisbon High School and didn't even make the OTHER ALL-AMERICA SELECTIONS let alone the DREAM TEAM. Pretty cool to see John Smith on there though! https://www.wrestlingusa.com/high-school/ewExternalFiles/1983 High School All-Americans.pdf

You're welcome. Are you now ready to admit that Gable and Iowa didn't stockpile the nation's top high school talent? Who's the one living with "fever pitch delusions" again?

There we go. Thank you, sir!

And I just provided since apparently you guys don't understand how to use the internet?

You're right, the link isn't working now for some reason. Wrestling USA mag used Asics Boys teams (1986-today); prior to that, you will need to check Win's Dream Team which will go back to the 60s. This is the last piece of homework I am doing for you guys. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1986-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1987-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1988-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1989-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1990-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1991-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1992-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1993-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1994-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1995-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1996-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM

I can't help with the fact that you are google incompetent lol.