JimmyCinnabon

I completely understand why you lead with “this will be my last post on this thread.”

I have a day job and I still post on this dumb board during the day. If I can do it then Pete Minnow can too.

Pyles looks like he would get pinned by an 8th grader wrestling JV on their junior high team.

I’m a “college starter” level poster.

These are all fair points.

We are going to disagree on what we know. I understand that we know the differences in men and woman after puberty. What I think we need more information on his what happens when someone transitions and goes through hormone treatment. How much does it effect bone density etc? Is it possible that after transitioning with hormone therapy that there are some sports where the advantage of being born male and going through puberty is negated by the transition? I think this is all too new for us to know for sure whether or not it's possible to even the playing field between trans woman and woman. And if we take the time to research this I'll accept whatever conclusion they come to. If we research this in good faith and we determine that no amount of current treatments can even the playing field enough for trans women to compete in any sports then so be it. I think we definitely still need to figure out if that is possible and if it is, can it apply to all sports and if not which ones. As far as DSD goes I am in agreement. I can't get behind punishing someone because they were born a certain way. In the case of the Algerian boxer she was born with DSD, she has identified as a female since birth and never transitioned. She was gifted (if you want to call it that) with a physiology that gives her an advantage over other women. It's a slippery slope. Take Michael Phelps for example. Michael Phelps is considered an exceptional swimmer due to a combination of factors, including his unique physical attributes, intense training, and mental fortitude. He possesses an anatomy that is well-suited for swimming, including a long torso, short legs, double-jointed ankles and elbows, and a high lung capacity. These physical advantages, coupled with his dedication, discipline, and mental toughness, allowed him to achieve unparalleled success in swimming. Where is the line? Because Michael Phelps was born with physiology that makes him far superior to other swimmers are we going to ban him from swimming? Of course we wouldn't even think of banning Michael Phelps because he has physical attributes that are more fish like than everyone else.

I am not sure why, without the actual research into this, you can say with any conviction where the line should be. I don't think we know at this point where the line should be, but we should certainly put in the time and research to find out. Because again, I think there are too many variables to consider such as the specific sport, the hormone levels of someone who has transitioned, and any other measurable that may apply that could be different in each individual who transitions. I am probably Ok with pulling back a bit and putting in some guardrails while we figure it out, though with the caveat that the guardrails make sense for everyone.

What our good friend and esteemed colleague is saying is that if PSU rosters 30 guys and those 6 guys in the portal who did not find a new landing spot want to stay at Penn State they will simply become exempt and PSU will have a roster of 36 guys. At least this is how I understand it. It makes me wonder if anyone is going to game the system here and have like 20 guys enter the portal with the plan to fill those 20 spots with transfers, and then just have those 20 guys return as exempt from roster limits and roll with a roster of 50.

You bring up fair points. The reality is that this is a far more complex situation than most people want to admit. It's not just, "pull down your pants" and we are all good. It's a nuanced topic and certainly not the widespread epidemic that some make it out to be. Of course, like I have already pointed out, the right has completely moved the goalposts on this one. They went from trying to pass bills that would require genital inspections as the end all be all of this issue until they realized it's not that simple and have pivoted to a new approach. Now anyone who is too masculine is just trans to these people. This topic needs much more research to figure out exactly how this effects athletes. We may find out that it's fair in some sports to allow trans women to participate once their hormone levels meet a specific criteria and we may learn that there are some sports where someone who was born male (by the traditional definition) will simply always have an unfair advantage that hormone therapy won't alleviate. Only when we have enough data on this can we really determine how to move forward.

I am relieved to learn that a guy on the Intermat wrestling forums has figured it all out! This is truly amazing man. The history books will talk about the Intermat wrestling forum and the great Scouts Honor who led the world into an age of enlightenment. Praise be to Scouts Honor!

I'm not sure you understand what virtue-signaling is.

I think you and everybody else understood what I meant.

He can qualify for deez nuts.