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This is where the original post of this thread applies to you. intelligent but stupid...

Im not dumb enough to believe all of the below about conservatives but its easy to spew garbage and make everything out to be "the others" rather than take a more nuanced and balanced position. Enjoy the below anyhow... Conservatism -- by definition -- is "a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions (such as religion, the family, and class structure), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change". The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources. To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on top [of social hierarchy] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top. Conservatives absolutely need an underclass [for society] to demonize and dehumanize in order to maintain [their] hierarchy, and every single one of their policies and rhetoric work to do exactly that. Unless the accusation is one of disrespecting hierarchy, every right-wing accusation is a confession -- every. single. one; always! -- as it is never the act itself that upsets them, but rather, the social standing of the person doing the act, as said act is a privilege meant for those on top of [their perceived] hierarchy (See also: pedophilia - Trump and the Catholic church versus LGBTQ+ and drag queens; protests - January 6th vs. BLM and No Kings; parental rights - anti-LGBTQ+ vs pro-LGBTQ+; indoctrination - religion vs. education). Those who believe all people are people see hypocrisy, while those who believe some people are "more/less" people than others see hierarchy. Hypocrisy implies a sense of equality/parity, as the accusation of such is that someone is violating a universal or common standard. Hierarchy directly states that there is no equality/parity, that different social strata have different standards, that the only universal standard concerning hierarchy is that those on top are allowed privileges which are denied to those on the bottom, and that the bottom are held to standards which the top are exempt from. To them, children are property of their social betters, and "know your place" is their mantra. Addendum #1: Conservatives promote the literal torture of their own children if and when the latter don't conform to traditionally established sexual and gender norms. Addendum #2: Conservatives ignore the many, many, many cases of pedophilia and sexual assaults perpetrated and covered-up by the upper echelons of Christian churches (in 2024 alone), and even promote a privilege for churches to keep silent concerning infant rape. Addendum #3: 800 Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers, 1552 Right-Wing Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers

Go ask them yourself

This might be worse... but you asked for evidence so here you go.... 1. Larry McClure and Amanda McClure What happened Larry McClure and his biological daughter, Amanda McClure, had a sexual relationship. They married in March 2019, several weeks after the murder of Amanda's boyfriend. The case was reported by True Crime News on April 2, 2021, when Amanda's sister was sentenced in connection with the murder. Id be willing to put a not so inconsequential amount of money down that they are MAGA...

As long as you can see that there is a flip side to that coin for 10s of millions of others now feeling the opposite. Maybe far more given the global implications. Your feeling comfortable now has come at the expense of others. I use comfortable as a very loose term as we know millions are afraid for their families well being now that weren't before... It's hard to be optimistic for humanity when everyone's view essentially boils down to "as long as ive got what i want to hell with everyone else"

Taking a break from politics- I stumbled on this video from YouTube. If you have any time to waste, it's a crazy and thought provoking watch of how improbable it is that humans with their k own tools at the time built the pyramids in such a precise way leading to the belief they may have been far more technologically advanced in ways that even we aren't at the time and that technology was lost thousands of years in time. The precision, math and execution is incredible. There are a few versions of this explanation, this is just one of them.

Maybe it's time the left trots out Trumps neice again and Hegseth's mother and Stephen Millers entire family... If those here on the right are willing to to listen to family members of elected/appointed officials maybe we will finally get somewhere...

Why don't you ask my wife.... I mean sister.... no wife...

I think easy ones to spot here are those spewing the "all Muslims bad" and "Israel is perfect and can never be questioned" comments that have obviously fallen victim to propaganda.

Your characterization is flawed. The act was passed but when disclosure was pushed by shumer- the senate voted along party lines to not allow for congress to force compliance of the act and force litigation with DOJ. Shumer probably knew this would happen but that's politics. Maybe he didn't want them released who knows- but when push came to shove to force compliance- GOP voted not to allow congress the chance to bring a lawsuit against the DOJ for their non-compliance and force the release of the Epstein documents. What did they have to gain by doing this? It becomes obvious when the only person mentioned in decades worth of documents more than Epstein himself is Trump. Some AI for your consumption with respect to time: Chuck Schumer's role was primarily to push for disclosure in the Senate, use Senate procedures to pressure Republicans, and later try to force the Justice Department to comply with the law. His record includes several distinct actions. Schumer's actions, in chronological order July 2025 Tried to compel DOJ to turn over records Schumer and Senate Democrats invoked a provision known as the “Rule of Five,” which allows five members of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to request information from an executive agency within the committee's jurisdiction. They sought Epstein-related records from the DOJ. Sept. 2025 Introduced an amendment requiring disclosure Schumer proposed an amendment to a defense bill directing the attorney general to make Epstein-related documents public. On September 10, the Senate voted 51–49 to table the amendment, preventing it from advancing through that legislative route. Nov. 2025 Helped secure passage of the original act After the House passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act 427–1, Schumer moved for the Senate to pass the House bill immediately, without amendments or delay. The Senate agreed by unanimous consent, and the bill became law on November 19. 2026 Sought legal enforcement Schumer proposed Senate action to authorize litigation against the administration over alleged noncompliance with the transparency law. The resolution, S. Res. 597, was introduced in February 2026. 6. The important complication: Schumer's September vote Schumer supported disclosure, but his September 2025 amendment was tabled by a 51–49 vote. The official Senate record confirms the result. Bottom line: The documented record shows Schumer pushed for disclosure, helped expedite passage of the original act, and later sought legal action against the DOJ. His enforcement proposal was referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee; introducing it did not itself authorize a lawsuit.

I will admit it is more "fun" having a dialogue with people like yourself and @WrestlingRasta even in the face of certain disagreements. Overall it seems to be more civilized with far less ad hominem attacks which I certainly am guilty of. I do tend to get caught up slumming it with those such as @Scouts Honor @JimmySpeaks as well as others here... The analogy id equate it to is being back in college and perhaps there is a girl that's been coming on to you for a while but you would consider below your standards and truthfully, a bit dirty so you've held her at bay. But one night perhaps you let your guard down and your judgement is impaired so you finally give in but feel sick to your stomach the next morning after the encounter. I always try and tell myself to do better but hey, no one's perfect...

Your response is appreciated but analysis of my post seemingly is incorrect my friend. It is a fact that a select few Epstein survivors are choosing sides by jumping into politics and creating ads for the left which we haven't seen happen for the right, at least in this midterm cycle. I merely added to that narrative, maybe over enthusiastically. I will admit getting carried away saying the right doesn't support holding pedophiles accountable although this can be argued that a large portion of congress indeed chose not to do this. I wouldn't say that is an example of falling for "propaganda." Similar to the right making an ad about children that were murdered in the 90s presumably to highlight the left not holding criminals accountable. I can't deny the fact a child was murdered even if I think the ad is misguided and abhorrent in the first place. You seem to be willing to attempt to find examples for the "other side" but not your own. This is where any effort you've made to come across as honest and genuine falls apart. Similar to what @WrestlingRasta explained in his post.

@jross Are you able to "walk the walk" and demonstrate for everyone your ability to be objective by clearly showing the propaganda those here have fallen for on both sides of the spectrum? Preferably without AI...

You should climb down from your mythical fence

I have factual information people from West Virginia marry theirs...

Oh wise one- please enlighten us all here with the propaganda that is being fallen for... Caveat- do so in this exercise by turning the spotlight on those here that reside on the far right.

I learned from the best on here! Lool at that! You are having an impact on the world afterall!

Hahaha literally the first thing I thought when I read that.. Im going to assume that Jimmy supports people from Boise, Idaho sexually assaulting the elderly while wearing MAGA hats because he never denounced it...

Says the guy that can barely have a dialogue without spewing AI prompts all over the message board and pathetically trying to co-opt it as your own thoughts... Your opinions hold no water when you can't form any between your own ears.

Fortunately for me, I'm not obligated to explain anything to you. Your inability to understand nuance and in this instance the blatantly obvious when it's right in front of your face is a you problem...

Only if you hold your breath

The right has lost all privileges to criticize anyone on the left regarding increasing their net worth when the president is presiding over crypto scams in the open and everyone in this admin from the ambassador to Greece to the guy running the F'ing teleprompter is trying to cash in on this corrupt swamp. Drain it? Not a chance. He brought in toxic waste and piles of steaming shit to add to the swamp. Go cry about networth to someone else

People from West Virginia

That one went right over your head

What's more stupid is making up something I never gave a position on and somehow finding a way to bring that into this conversation