uncle bernard

Because the Israelis are the ones who showed up at their door and told them they had to leave.

Of course not. You seem to have forgotten 1947 though. Only you guys could view having massive amounts of your land taken from you without compensation as "starting the conflict."

take your own advice. history didn't begin on 10/7.

Many of them don't, you're right. The main difference is that we act like one country is evil and the other is righteous, and then we fund the "righteous" one so they can actually carry out their genocidal desires. As long as there is asymmetrical power created by the West, this conflict will continue. The West has the power to do the right thing - enforce a peace process and begin a reconciliation process in both countries to re-educate them to view the others as human beings with shared interest and fates.

“For I did not consider myself justified in exterminating the men—in other words, killing them or having them killed—and then allowing their children to grow up to wreak vengeance on our children and grandchildren. The difficult decision had to be taken to make these people disappear from the face of the earth.” -Heinrich Himmler, 1943

We don't have to believe either of them. It's on video. We can watch for ourselves.

The public can watch a video and see whether the car was actually driving towards the officer as they claimed. Hilarious that you guys pontificate about freedom and when it comes down to it, your entire worldview is "I trust whatever the authorities tell me as a matter of faith as long as I support them politically."

Well, what do you know? The bodycam footage must be released immediately so the public can judge the truth for themselves. Body-camera video of a Border Patrol agent involved in the shooting of a woman who was allegedly chasing agents in Brighton Park over the weekend shows an officer saying, “Do something, b----,” before pulling over and shooting the woman five times, the woman’s attorney said in federal court Monday. The video appears to contradict the government’s allegation that Marimar Martinez, 30, drove toward officers before one of them opened fire on her late Saturday morning on Kedzie Avenue near 39th Street, her attorney, Christopher Parente, said at a detention hearing at the Dirksen Federal Courthouse. https://www.wbez.org/public-safety/2025/10/07/marimar-martinez-anthony-ian-santos-ruiz-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park

So what? There are a few states that do that, but most have manslaughter, including Illinois where this happened, so what do you think you're proving?

It can also not be ruled a just shooting. So now what?

Who cares? It does not matter.

The driver started to drive away, THEN the officer reached in to grab the car as an attempt to stop him, and that's what creates the tragedy. For one second, take a step back and think: what happens if the officer simply lets go? Driver drives away? Who cares? They have his plates. They'd already collected enough information from him (or already knew) to know that he had just dropped his kids off at daycare and school. He was not accused of anything violent. Only thing on his record is a speeding ticket from 15 years ago. So what happens if he lets go? They probably arrest him later that day peacefully without putting the community in danger by firing shots in public while apparently being dragged by a car. And this guy is still alive. And the public doesn't lose more trust in LEO.

There's no winning an argument with you because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything that contradicts your established opinions. There's nothing left to do but insult you.

it's nap time geezer. go eat your pudding and tuck yourself in.

They, are quite literally, not the same in any state. That's why they're called different things.