Indiana University at Purdue University - January 17th

[SNL Wrestling]

WrestleStat predicts Purdue over Indiana 16-15:

125: Matt Ramos (Purdue) over Jacob Moran (Indiana) DEC 9 - 4

133: Angelo Rini (Indiana) over Dustin Norris (Purdue) DEC 11 - 4

141: Greyson Clark (Purdue) over Henry Porter (Indiana) DEC 8 - 7

149: Isaac Ruble (Purdue) over Anthony Bahl (Indiana) DEC 10 - 8

157: Joey Blaze (Purdue) over Bryce Lowery (Indiana) MD 11 - 3

165: Derek Gilcher (Indiana) over Stoney Buell (Purdue) DEC 8 - 3

174: Brody Baumann (Purdue) over Roman Rogotzke (Indiana) DEC 9 - 8

184: Donnell Washington (Indiana) over James Rowley (Purdue) DEC 8 - 6

197: Gabe Sollars (Indiana) over Ben Vanadia (Purdue) DEC 8 - 5

285: Jacob Bullock (Indiana) over Hayden Filipovich (Purdue) DEC 9 - 5

 

The state of Indiana better show out for this dual meet.....

[Bulldog]

This thread seems a bit premature.  Maybe a little more on topic is how hot is Escobedo's seat at Indiana? 

Edited December 9 by Bulldog

[TylerDurden]

3 hours ago, Bulldog said:

This thread seems a bit premature.  Maybe a little more on topic is how hot is Escobedo's seat at Indiana? 

His seat isn't even lukewarm. 

[Greenwave]

After the Goldman and Simmons debacle he should be safe.   How Goldman did know the history with Simmons at Oregon State punching a recruit which led to the kid not being able to wrestle in College is unacceptable.

[SNL Wrestling]

12 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

His seat isn't even lukewarm. 

he continues to raise the attendance average, which imo is the biggest metric ADs are looking at. 

[Southend]

Angel is at a crossroads here, as I see it. He needs desperately ,to break through and get  one or two on the NCAA podium, in the next year or two. He has elevated the room talent 3 fold ,over Duane’s last 5 years in charge, but he needs a couple of hammers desperately to keep the momentum going forward. We’ll see. I think he needs a good recruiter in the program to get the job done. His only weakness as I see it. But a major flaw. 

[SNL Wrestling]

34 minutes ago, Southend said:

Angel is at a crossroads here, as I see it. He needs desperately ,to break through and get  one or two on the NCAA podium, in the next year or two. He has elevated the room talent 3 fold ,over Duane’s last 5 years in charge, but he needs a couple of hammers desperately to keep the momentum going forward. We’ll see. I think he needs a good recruiter in the program to get the job done. His only weakness as I see it. But a major flaw. 

IU has really elevated themselves lately, I don’t see the argument to change things tbh. 

[TylerDurden]

1 hour ago, Southend said:

Angel is at a crossroads here, as I see it. He needs desperately ,to break through and get  one or two on the NCAA podium, in the next year or two. He has elevated the room talent 3 fold ,over Duane’s last 5 years in charge, but he needs a couple of hammers desperately to keep the momentum going forward. We’ll see. I think he needs a good recruiter in the program to get the job done. His only weakness as I see it. But a major flaw. 

I can agree with the idea that he's still searching for that breakthrough recruit. I know that they've been close on a few, but close doesn't count. He's not exactly working with the same resources as the top-end of the B1G and the dynamic is 180-degrees different from when Goldman was in charge - portal, NIL, etc. 

IMO, he's going to have to convince one of the top in-state kids to stay home and be the face of the program...and help bring another guy or two with him. There are talented kids from the state and have been for a while - Parris, Red, Nick Lee, Davison, Mendez, Lemley, Brayton Lee, Micic, Hildebrandt, Tsirtsis, Howe...AA-types and some National Champ contenders. 

Having CJ Red on staff may help, but I do agree that a seasoned recruiter would be beneficial. 

[Bulldog]

Aspects of Coach Goldman and his time at Indiana were hard to watch, but he did have guys consistently on the podium, a few in the finals, and some champs.  Schools like Little Rock, Campbell, and Rider are getting athletes who get it done.  I have zero idea why a school as strong as IU with led with someone as likable as Escobedo- a literal Indiana legend- hasn't yet.    

Edited December 11 by Bulldog

[Southend]

13 hours ago, SNL Wrestling said:

IU has really elevated themselves lately, I don’t see the argument to change things tbh. 

No one is advocating changing anything. 

[Southend]

11 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

I can agree with the idea that he's still searching for that breakthrough recruit. I know that they've been close on a few, but close doesn't count. He's not exactly working with the same resources as the top-end of the B1G and the dynamic is 180-degrees different from when Goldman was in charge - portal, NIL, etc. 

IMO, he's going to have to convince one of the top in-state kids to stay home and be the face of the program...and help bring another guy or two with him. There are talented kids from the state and have been for a while - Parris, Red, Nick Lee, Davison, Mendez, Lemley, Brayton Lee, Micic, Hildebrandt, Tsirtsis, Howe...AA-types and some National Champ contenders. 

Having CJ Red on staff may help, but I do agree that a seasoned recruiter would be beneficial. 

 

6 hours ago, Bulldog said:

Aspects of Coach Goldman and his time at Indiana were hard to watch, but he did have guys consistently on the podium, a few in the finals, and some champs.  Schools like Little Rock, Campbell, and Rider are getting athletes who get it done.  I have zero idea why a school as strong as IU with led with someone as likable as Escobedo- a literal Indiana legend- hasn't yet.    

Both good observations and spot on. The attraction To IU,from in state elite ,has eluded the program for several years. I summised that it was a D. Goldman problem, but it has continued here in the Escobedo era so far. Angel needs to solve this to be able to be more than a bottom feeder in the conference. No two ways about it. 

[Southend]

On 12/10/2024 at 9:14 AM, SNL Wrestling said:

he continues to raise the attendance average, which imo is the biggest metric ADs are looking at. 

Seem like you have low expectations for Angels era as a coach. Attendance is not an indication of the program’s success quotient. See Chicago Cubs before 2016. 

[TylerDurden]

1 hour ago, Southend said:

 

Both good observations and spot on. The attraction To IU,from in state elite ,has eluded the program for several years. I summised that it was a D. Goldman problem, but it has continued here in the Escobedo era so far. Angel needs to solve this to be able to be more than a bottom feeder in the conference. No two ways about it. 

Interestingly enough, I think both Goldman and Escobedo tried/is trying to be more than a bottom feeder in different ways. 

Goldman hoped that podium finishes would lead to building a stronger team (it didn't - his dual record was abysmal, especially toward the end of his tenure). A top-down approach. 

Escobedo seems to be taking the opposite approach, while still trying to hit the home run in recruiting, by building the room depth. He's undoubtedly built more room depth than Goldman - which is a good thing - but the problem is that it still puts you in the bottom half of the B1G and the record is still something like 3-5 in duals. 

I mentioned this in the previous post, but unless there's a ton of money about to flow into IU Wrestling's NIL fund, they're going to have a hard time ever competing for high-end portal guys and recruits.

At the current investment level, IU's ceiling is probably 8-9th at the B1Gs. Heck, they had 6 NCAA qualifiers last year and finished 12/14. They had more NCAA qualifiers than Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, Maryland, Northwestern and Illinois. 

Having said all of that, IU is now a football school and football money is huge, so you never know! 

 

 

[Southend]

And just think, last year at this time IU was just a basketball school!  
You never know,  is right!