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Our junior guys have been awful this year. I don't know what's going on but there is a huge coaching problem at all levels it seems. Dabir needs to be held accountable, especially if we perform poorly at senior worlds this year. Alizadeh lost to greece? Mamivand can't do a single leg? Its actually hilarious how bad our freestyle guys are. When you have Cox and Taylor coaching compared to our randoms this is what happens. If you want world champions you need to be coached by world champions not guys who can barely podium at Asians. Dabir now can't hide behind "team titles" he has completely lost all credibility in his coaching appointments. There are 50 uncles in the outskirts of Mazandaran who can coach these guys better. 

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6 hours ago, Lucho said:

Our junior guys have been awful this year. I don't know what's going on but there is a huge coaching problem at all levels it seems. Dabir needs to be held accountable, especially if we perform poorly at senior worlds this year. Alizadeh lost to greece? Mamivand can't do a single leg? Its actually hilarious how bad our freestyle guys are. When you have Cox and Taylor coaching compared to our randoms this is what happens. If you want world champions you need to be coached by world champions not guys who can barely podium at Asians. Dabir now can't hide behind "team titles" he has completely lost all credibility in his coaching appointments. There are 50 uncles in the outskirts of Mazandaran who can coach these guys better. 

Those 50 uncles share some blame also. They teach these guys that style of wrestling when they are kids. 

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21 hours ago, Lucho said:

Our junior guys have been awful this year. I don't know what's going on but there is a huge coaching problem at all levels it seems. Dabir needs to be held accountable, especially if we perform poorly at senior worlds this year. Alizadeh lost to greece? Mamivand can't do a single leg? Its actually hilarious how bad our freestyle guys are. When you have Cox and Taylor coaching compared to our randoms this is what happens. If you want world champions you need to be coached by world champions not guys who can barely podium at Asians. Dabir now can't hide behind "team titles" he has completely lost all credibility in his coaching appointments. There are 50 uncles in the outskirts of Mazandaran who can coach these guys better. 

I think these wrestlers are primarily getting developed at youth clubs. But yeah, a lot of world level wrestlers in the US are opening these clubs/academies and living off them as small business owners. And they get these kids young often, like 5 years old young. 

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On 8/19/2025 at 7:08 PM, shiraz321 said:

Those 50 uncles share some blame also. They teach these guys that style of wrestling when they are kids. 

I don't have a problem with the style it comes down to everything else. Compared to the American guys their conditioning is woeful and the wrestling IQ is virtually non-existant from half of these guys that competed. The only wrestler that has impressed me is Ahoura Khateri and even he purposely handicapped himself for no reason in his earlier matches. It feels like their is a big disconnect between what the coaches want from our guys and them actually performing it.

 

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10 hours ago, GrandOlm said:

I think these wrestlers are primarily getting developed at youth clubs. But yeah, a lot of world level wrestlers in the US are opening these clubs/academies and living off them as small business owners. And they get these kids young often, like 5 years old young. 

You guys are focussing on freestyle earlier which is helping you guys with junior level success. The razer sharp conditioning that you get from folk is showing. Completely deserved u17 and u20 title wins. It's just frustrating that our guys are performing so poorly.

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I am not sure the conditioning comes from folk style.  It comes from training off the mat.

on the differ topic, I am very surprised abolfazl rahimi lost, give him results at the senior level

Very eager to see how Ahora will do at the finals

 

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13 minutes ago, Irani said:

I am not sure the conditioning comes from folk style.  It comes from training off the mat.

on the differ topic, I am very surprised abolfazl rahimi lost, give him results at the senior level

Very eager to see how Ahora will do at the finals

 

The american kid he lost to was a leg attack god 

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2 hours ago, shiraz321 said:

The american kid he lost to was a leg attack god 

I did not see the entire match but obviously it was a close battle ending at 5-5

He has to learn to defend leg attacks 

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4 hours ago, Irani said:

I did not see the entire match but obviously it was a close battle ending at 5-5

He has to learn to defend leg attacks 

Up until his match with Rahimi he had won every match via 10-0 tech, with all ten points in each match being off of shots.
 

 

6 hours ago, Irani said:

I am not sure the conditioning comes from folk style.  It comes from training off the mat.

on the differ topic, I am very surprised abolfazl rahimi lost, give him results at the senior level

Very eager to see how Ahora will do at the finals

 

For the NCAA Folkstyle season a large part of it is based around conditioning.  They will wrestle anywhere from 20-40 matches in a few month span, with their conference championships having up to 6/7 matches in a two day span and the NCAA finals also have up to 6/7 matches in a two day span.  Cardio/conditioning is a large part of training.

It is also a reason some of our guys come right out of Folkstyle and do extremely well, even though they would not have been training Freestyle very long.  Snyder came off a 2nd place finish his first year of college at 197lbs (~89 KG) and won a world title at 97 KG.  Cox came off his season for the 2016 Olympics and dropped from 197lbs (~89 KG) and won a Bronze at the 2016 Olympics at 86 KG, purely off stingy defense and cardio.  It's a thing.

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6 hours ago, shiraz321 said:

I duno why this Babak guy ( The Iranian commentator) keeps saying Khateri just turned 17. He turned 18 in January! 

Yeah Khateri is 18 but he looks very young compared to Blaze and the other 61kg guys. I'm not sure it's because of the lack of muscle but he definitely needs a good 2/3 years at this weight class before he becomes remotely competitive. Him, Yousefi and Rahmani are the only guys worth having an eye on for the future. The rest of them were here just to make numbers this year. Hopefully our greco guys don't embarrass us as well.

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31 minutes ago, Lucho said:

Yeah Khateri is 18 but he looks very young compared to Blaze and the other 61kg guys. I'm not sure it's because of the lack of muscle but he definitely needs a good 2/3 years at this weight class before he becomes remotely competitive. Him, Yousefi and Rahmani are the only guys worth having an eye on for the future. The rest of them were here just to make numbers this year. Hopefully our greco guys don't embarrass us as well.

I will send you 100 dollars if he still wrestling 61kg in  2 or 3 years. A bet only on my side. 

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11 hours ago, shiraz321 said:

I will send you 100 dollars if he still wrestling 61kg in  2 or 3 years. A bet only on my side. 


Yeah, he’s 18, but in terms of muscle maturity he still looks like he’s 15. He’s the kind of wrestler you can expect to win gold around age 25.

Death to America

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1 hour ago, Undefeated said:


Yeah, he’s 18, but in terms of muscle maturity he still looks like he’s 15. He’s the kind of wrestler you can expect to win gold around age 25.

Expect to win gold based off what? Cause he won cadet worlds once at 45kg? Also I assume you will be banned for your signature. 

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29 minutes ago, shiraz321 said:

Expect to win gold based off what? Cause he won cadet worlds once at 45kg? Also I assume you will be banned for your signature. 

Not saying he’s guaranteed to be a champ at that age, but what I mean is he’s still got a lot of physical growing to do - height, weight, overall build. Right now his body looks pretty raw, so if he ever becomes a world champ, it won’t be anytime soon.

As for the signature - if that’s ban-worthy, then at least ten long-time members here should’ve been banned way before me. We’ve got people posting stuff like "Iranians trade two goats for a wife", "an American dog is smarter than an Iranian woman", "Iranians wipe their ass with rocks and sticks" ,"your prophet was a pedophile", ... . And some Americans who follow or comment on this thread are actually liking those posts too. If those are fine to keep around, then I think my sig is the least of this forum’s problems.

And of course, the signature is just because they like that slogan themselves - it's a long story and relates to other threads.

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27 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

As for the signature - if that’s ban-worthy, then at least ten long-time members here should’ve been banned way before me. We’ve got people posting stuff like "Iranians trade two goats for a wife", "an American dog is smarter than an Iranian woman", "Iranians wipe their ass with rocks and sticks" ,"your prophet was a pedophile", ... . And some Americans who follow or comment on this thread are actually liking those posts too. If those are fine to keep around, then I think my sig is the least of this forum’s problems.

Someone has written that in this forum or was it in the 'Non Wrestling Topics' forum? I haven't seen anything like that around here or in the college forum...

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14 hours ago, shiraz321 said:

I will send you 100 dollars if he still wrestling 61kg in  2 or 3 years. A bet only on my side. 

He looks malnourished at 61 the only way he moves up to 65 or higher is if they put him on an IV strip and force feed him. His match against Blaze showed that he needs to bulk up as he is going to get outmuscled otherwise. He is tall and lanky yes but I don't think that means he will necessarily move up. His body needs to adjust to 61 first.

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2 hours ago, Undefeated said:


Yeah, he’s 18, but in terms of muscle maturity he still looks like he’s 15. He’s the kind of wrestler you can expect to win gold around age 25.

There is a very small chance he wins a senior level gold. I don't even think he will make the senior team any time soon. Light weight is where every country in the world has good wrestlers (aside from us). Even the "second tier" countries have guys as good (at worst) or better guys than us. Our light weight development needs to have an overhaul. Apart from Amouzad we haven't really developed any proper light weights in a while.

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22 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Someone has written that in this forum or was it in the 'Non Wrestling Topics' forum? I haven't seen anything like that around here or in the college forum...

In the 'Non Wrestling Topics' forum.

Death to America

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13 minutes ago, Lucho said:

He looks malnourished at 61 the only way he moves up to 65 or higher is if they put him on an IV strip and force feed him. His match against Blaze showed that he needs to bulk up as he is going to get outmuscled otherwise. He is tall and lanky yes but I don't think that means he will necessarily move up. His body needs to adjust to 61 first.

Well you will win a 100 dollars if you are right. If he is still at 61 in 2027 I will send it to you. 

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1 hour ago, Undefeated said:

 

As for the signature - if that’s ban-worthy, then at least ten long-time members here should’ve been banned way before me. We’ve got people posting stuff like "Iranians trade two goats for a wife", "an American dog is smarter than an Iranian woman", "Iranians wipe their ass with rocks and sticks" ,"your prophet was a pedophile", ... . And some Americans who follow or comment on this thread are actually liking those posts too. If those are fine to keep around, then I think my sig is the least of this forum’s problems.

 

Didn't even know this place had a non wrestling forum, lol. Looks like a war zone in there. 

And those posts you mentioned are ridiculous and racist. I mean, only 1 of them is even true! 

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