The overturned takedown

[WrestlingRasta]

First I’ll say I think Duke had the takedown anyway.   Criteria for that position is cradle locked and on his hip, which he clearly achieved. Robi did eventually work back off his hip, but he never broke the position.  I just don’t see how that qualified as reaction time.  
 

But a bigger picture is at play here.  When the takedown was overturned, Duke not only lost the points but also lost a very advantageous wrestling position, due to the stoppage because of the takedown being awarded in sudden death. 
 

I don’t like getting into the new rules for next year that always happened in March, but I think this is a big deal and something they need to look at.  I would suggest, if we’re going to have reaction time the way it is this year, in sudden death situations they do something similar to what the NFL does in letting fumbles play out and then to review.  So in a situation like last night, award the takedown but let the wrestling continue and the position resolve.  Then if you need to review you can go back and review. 

[romesone]

Spot on. This is the only way to fix this issue. Duke was robbed. 

[The Kid]

5 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

First I’ll say I think Duke had the takedown anyway.   Criteria for that position is cradle locked and on his hip, which he clearly achieved. Robi did eventually work back off his hip, but he never broke the position.  I just don’t see how that qualified as reaction time.  
 

But a bigger picture is at play here.  When the takedown was overturned, Duke not only lost the points but also lost a very advantageous wrestling position, due to the stoppage because of the takedown being awarded in sudden death. 
 

I don’t like getting into the new rules for next year that always happened in March, but I think this is a big deal and something they need to look at.  I would suggest, if we’re going to have reaction time the way it is this year, in sudden death situations they do something similar to what the NFL does in letting fumbles play out and then to review.  So in a situation like last night, award the takedown but let the wrestling continue and the position resolve.  Then if you need to review you can go back and review. 

Folkstyle has changed the takedown rules so many times in the last 10 years that no one knows wtf a takedown is?

Is there reaction time? How much? 

Is there control? Who knows? Guys on his ass with both ankles covered, no takedown.

Is he in bounds? Or out of bounds? Who knows? What Singleton is he wearing?

How much time is reaction time? One second? 5 seconds?  What color is his Singlet?

Folkstyle rewards the defensive wrestler who skirts the edge. 

So don't be surprised when the refs f@# up the match.  It's their duty.

Edited March 21 by The Kid