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Based on your assessment, there is only one elite program. Or did I miss something?

ISU making room for Cael, only to have him leave had to sting.

Oklahoma was close in 1982. They had three individual champions and a runner-up. "Dr. Death" Steve Williams lost in the heavyweight title match to Bruce Baumgardner 4 - 2. The Schultz brothers and Andre Metzger claimed titles for the Sooners. However, the Sooners finished 3rd in the team standings that year behind Iowa and Iowa State.

Cody Brewer was seeded, but 13th. Not sure what year they started seeding more than 12. Brewer had only one loss and was a returning AA, but still seeded 13th. He went on to dominate the weight.

Just guessing, but I know the 84 Olympic team had 4 Hawkeyes, but I'm not sure if they were all in college at the same time. Maybe 1981. Maybe Iowa State 1970.

The topic has been discussed before. I was in college when ND got dropped and we wrestled against ND in our regional. The story was the program was dropped in order to avoid an NCAA probe of the athletic program. The wrestling program had commuted some "minor" NCAA infractions and the NCAA used that as an excuse to drop the program therefore warding off the probe that was to take place. It was a self-funded program, as was another Catholic school, Marquette, which dropped around 2001. Both of those schools competed in the West Region at the time. The ND roster was filled with top high school recruits, but their success in regards to AA's was limited. However, JJ McGrew, who was on the last ND team, transferred to Okie State and won a national title. Steve King was another guy on the final ND that transferred and earned AA status at Michigan. There may have been a few others.

The only thing I take issue with that the Brands brothers arrived at Iowa during Gable's "peak of dominance." At this time the Hawks recently had their 9 year winning streak broken and would not win the title again for another three years, it was the Brands brothers, amoungst others, that helped return Iowa to dominance. Alan Fried was the most hyped wrestler I can remember for that era. He was the first to win Jr. National Freestyle 4X, and typically did so in dominating fashion.

NAIA rules would be away around. Not sure the NCAA would go for that.

Marquette was privately funded as well. The ND situation had to do with NCAA violations that occurred with their wrestling program. The NCAA wanted to use this as an excuse to probe the whole athletic department, particularly one program, the school panicked and dropped wrestling to get the NCAA off their back. Some one closer to the situation might know better than I, but the story was the schools convinced the widow of the man who had endowed the program to sign the money over to the university to be used as the university saw fit. Pretty low down tactics. I was in college when this happened. ND was in the West Region at the time.

No one said always. Kerry McCoy did a pretty good job at Stanford. That was not the case at Maryland.

Cael Sanderson Dan Gable Both considered the best wrestlers of their era.

Mizzou fan here. I'd be happy if Mizzou got a trophy, transfers or not. Time have indeed changed.

i would say Michigan had a good season. That being said, it would appear in this NIL era, Michigan has a strategy of bringing in transfers each year to make their program competitive. As far was getting team trophies, they've got 2 in the past 3 years, this strategy appears to be working. But if they want to contend to with PSU, they will have to start developing their own guys.

What metric are you using to say Illinois has passed Iowa?

Good analysis.