I mean, not even everyone that goes to Penn St does better lol but you did miss alot of the iowa guys that got better yes... Metcalf, DeSantos, Eierman, just to name a few.... but lets talk Truax, Hildebrandt, Nagao, Dean (who went from 2nd at Cornell to 1st at Penn st to 7th at Penn st) , among others.. Teske did better at Iowa then at Penn st... so do you really think these programs just hit it out of the park with 1 guy and fail with another and its just souly on the program...