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Wow. What a match.
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Penn State has nearly clinched it. The drama is only now for 3rd place between Iowa and Nebraska.
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2024 Big Ten Championships Team Standings Team Score # F # Consi Semi # 3rd-4th # 5th-6th # 7th-8th Max Possible Penn State 150 7 2 2 0 0 189 Michigan 122.5 4 5 4 1 0 152.5 Iowa 105.5 1 8 4 4 0 129.5 Nebraska 105 1 7 4 3 1 129 Rutgers 87.5 1 5 2 3 1 99.5 Ohio State 82 2 4 1 3 0 106 Minnesota 67 2 2 0 2 2 79 Wisconsin 46.5 1 0 0 0 4 52.5 Purdue 41.5 0 2 1 1 3 44.5 Maryland 39 0 3 2 1 1 45 Indiana 32 0 1 0 1 3 35 Illinois 28 1 1 0 1 1 37 Michigan State 23.5 0 0 0 0 2 23.5 Northwestern 14.5 0 0 0 0 2 14.5
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First (or one of the first) in line for an at-large bid?
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For those with interest, if you get ESPN2 (available on many cable networks), the finals of Big 12 are on tonight at 8:30 PM (EST). KOT vs. Carr and Bastida vs. Hendrickson are worth the price. Semifinal Results 125 Jore Volk (Wyoming) dec. Noah Surtin (Missouri) 6-5 Troy Spratley (Oklahoma State) dec. Kysen Terukina (Iowa State) 2-1 SV-1 133 Daton Fix (Oklahoma State) dec. Derrick Cardinal (South Dakota State) 4--0 Evan Frost (Iowa State) major dec. Dominick Serrano (Northern Colorado) 12-4 141 Anthony Echemendia (Iowa State) major dec. Jordan Titus (West Virginia) 14-4 Cael Happel (Northern Iowa) dec. Tagen Jamison (Oklahoma State) 4-1 149 Jordan Williams (Oklahoma State) dec. Casey Swiderski (Iowa State) 8-7 Ty Watters (West Virginian) TF Gabe Willochell (Wyoming) 19-2 157 Cody Chittum (Iowa State) dec. Jared Hill (Oklahoma) 6-0. Ryder Downey (Northern Iowa) dec. Cael Swensen (South Dakota State) 1-0 165 Keegan O’Toole (Missouri) dec. Izzak Olejnik (Oklahoma State) 7-1 David Carr (Iowa State) dec. Peyton Hall (West Virginia) 5-1 174 Cade DeVos (South Dakota State) dec. Peyton Mocco (Missouri) 2-0 Gaven Sax (North Dakota State) dec. Brayden Thompson (Oklahoma State) 3-2 184 Parker Keckeisen (Northern Iowa) major dec. Colton Hawks (Missouri) 11-3 Dustin Plott (Oklahoma State) TF Sam Wolf (Air Force) 21-4 197 Tanner Sloan (South Dakota State) TF Wyatt Voelker (Northern Iowa) 15-0 Rocky Elam (Missouri) dec. Stephen Buchanan (Oklahoma) 5-4 285 Wyatt Hendrickson (Air Force) major dec. Josh Heindselman (Oklahoma) 14-1 Yonger Bastida (Iowa State) major dec. Zach Elam (Missouri) 11-3
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2024 Big Ten Championships Team Standings Team Score # F # Consi Semi # 3rd-4th # 5th-6th # 7th-8th Max Possible Penn State 143 7 2 2 0 0 191 Michigan 122.5 4 5 4 1 0 161.5 Nebraska 105 1 7 4 3 1 135 Iowa 103.5 1 8 4 3 0 139 Ohio State 82 2 4 1 3 0 106 Rutgers 75 1 5 1 3 1 104.5 Minnesota 66 2 2 0 2 2 90 Wisconsin 43 1 0 0 0 4 61 Purdue 39.5 0 2 1 1 3 54.5 Maryland 39 0 3 2 1 1 51 Indiana 29 0 1 0 1 3 41 Illinois 28 1 1 0 1 1 40 Michigan State 19.5 0 0 0 0 2 25.5 Northwestern 14.5 0 0 0 0 2 20.5 Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.
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Nagao (PSU) vs. Brown (MD) on deck mat 1. Then Kasak (PSU vs. Rathjen (Iowa) - in the hole mat 1
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On an note unrelated to Starocci, is anyone only getting a single mat on BTN plus? I'm getting Mat 1 but can't find a way to get the other mats. Thanks. Edit: I figured it out. The other mats are further "down the line" on the website
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Well, let's look at some facts that counter that claim or don't fit your imagined narrative: 1. At 125, Penn State's true freshman, Davis, is wrestling in the finals. Nebraska is wrestling for 7th/8th place. 2. At 133, Penn State's Nagao beat Nebraska's Van Dee. 3. At 141, Penn's State's Bartlett is in the finals; ranked #1 and undefeated. He's beaten Nebraska's Hardy this year. 4. At 149, Nebraska's 5th year Lovett has squeaked by Penn State's true freshman backup twice. It's reasonable to think Shane Van Ness would have a very good chance of beating Nebraska at this weight if he were in the lineup. Let's count up the finalists at these lower weights. Isn't 2 twice as many as 1? 125: #9 Patrick McKee (Minnesota) vs #5 Braeden Davis (Penn State) 133: #4 Dylan Ragusin (Michigan) vs #7 Dylan Shawver (Rutgers) 141: #1 Beau Bartlett (Penn State) vs #3 Jesse Mendez (Ohio State) 149: #1 Ridge Lovett (Nebraska) vs #5 Austin Gomez (Michigan) Aside: Penn State went 20-2 in matches that they wrestled today. Their only losses were to the #1 ranked guy at B!Gs.
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2024 Big Ten Championships Team Standings Team Score # F # Consi Semi # 3rd-4th # 5th-6th # 7th-8th Max Possible Penn State 136 7 2 0 0 0 195 Michigan 105.5 4 5 0 0 0 172 Nebraska 89 1 7 0 0 1 157.5 Iowa 88.5 1 8 0 0 0 162.5 Ohio State 78.5 2 4 0 0 0 124.5 Rutgers 71.5 1 5 0 0 1 123 Minnesota 66 2 2 0 0 2 101 Wisconsin 43 1 0 0 0 4 61 Purdue 34 0 2 0 0 3 60 Maryland 31 0 3 0 0 1 59.5 Indiana 29 0 1 0 0 3 46.5 Illinois 28 1 1 0 0 1 45.5 Michigan State 19.5 0 0 0 0 2 25.5 Northwestern 14.5 0 0 0 0 2 20.5 Note: Teams in RED have been mathematically eliminated from the team title race.
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Updated team scores 2024 Big Ten Championships Team Standings Team Score # SF # F # Consi 1 # Consi 2 # Consi Semi # 7th-8th Max Possible Penn State 83.5 9 0 1 0 0 0 238 Michigan 70.5 8 0 1 0 0 0 210 Iowa 63 6 0 4 1 0 0 225.5 Nebraska 53.5 4 0 6 2 0 0 220 Rutgers 35 3 0 6 1 0 0 192.5 Minnesota 34.5 3 0 7 0 0 0 197.5 Ohio State 28.5 2 0 8 0 0 0 176.5 Maryland 24 2 0 5 1 0 0 146 Indiana 22 1 0 9 1 0 0 169 Wisconsin 22 1 0 6 1 0 0 129.5 Michigan State 11.5 0 0 9 0 0 0 148.5 Purdue 11 0 0 8 2 0 0 158 Illinois 10.5 1 0 4 0 0 0 103.5 Northwestern 7.5 0 0 6 0 0 0 105
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Team Score # Wrestlers # Pigtails # QF # SF # Consi Max Possible Penn State 83.5 10 4 10 9 1 238 Michigan 70.5 10 7 9 8 2 232 Iowa 57 10 9 9 6 3 232 Nebraska 47 10 8 8 4 6 227 Minnesota 34.5 10 8 8 3 7 217 Rutgers 30 10 9 6 3 7 217.5 Ohio State 19 10 8 6 1 8 219 Maryland 18 10 9 4 2 8 219 Indiana 15.5 10 10 5 1 9 210.5 Wisconsin 15.5 10 9 4 1 9 217 Illinois 9 10 10 2 1 9 219.5 Michigan State 6 10 10 4 0 10 212 Northwestern 5 10 10 3 0 10 217.5 Purdue 1 10 9 2 0 10 208
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Predictable boredom. Boredom on steroids
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Will Lewan giving everyone another dose of sleep. 1-1 in SV
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T minus 10 hours and counting down.
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Some of the best wrestlers have no tattoos and, while to each is own, a blank canvas of skin to me is usually a preferable way to go. Clean arms, legs. and torso with the focus on the sport not on the decorations or distractions. I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing them on Taylor, Retherford, Nolf, Nickal, Cenzo, Nick Lee, or Levi Haines -- yes, Penn State guys. I also don't remember seeing them on Stieber, Cael Sanderson, Dake, Pat Smith or Yianni. All 4 timers. If you get a face tattoo, you have likely chosen to be an outcast or pariah for life (Mike Tyson) or a character in Moby Dick (Queequeg). Hmm. Which wrestlers have the worst (or most cliche-ridden) tats?
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The way Lewis wrestled him at the All Star match, he needs Starocci to be about %15 healthy to have a chance.
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Didn't Molinaro qualify for Olympics this way?
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Haven't heard anything about a US trials process, but I'm pretty sure there will be one: Non-Olympic Worlds in Tirana The Bureau decided that a World Championships in non-Olympic weight classes will be held in 2024. The World Championships will be held in Tirana, Albania, from October 28 to 31, right after the U23 World Championships which will be held in the same venue from October 21 to 27. Non-Olympic weights World Championships in Tirana this year will be the first time it will be held since 2016 when Budapest became the host. Tirana will see wrestlers in 12 weight classes -- 61kg, 70kg, 79kg and 92kg in Freestyle; 55kg, 59kg, 65kg and 72kg in Women's Wrestling; 55kg, 63kg, 72kg and 82kg in Greco-Roman.
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Should USA coaches/RTC help foreign athletes beat Americans?
SocraTease replied to Dogbone's topic in International Wrestling
That's not necessarily how citizenship works in many countries (which has to provide a guide for this process legally), and it varies from nation to nation. If you were born to American parents in a foreign country, you are still American. But you might also get dual citizenship in certain ways—e.g., marry someone from another country. -
Should USA coaches/RTC help foreign athletes beat Americans?
SocraTease replied to Dogbone's topic in International Wrestling
There are criteria in place having to do with citizenship, including where your parents (and perhaps grandparents) are born, or where you are born. You can't just transfer anywhere you like. You likely can marry into citizenship. I know there is a waiting period and usually a fee to be paid. In fact, here is a link to UWW rules, which I will admit I have not yet read. If the link doesn't work, google "uww international rules for the change of nationality" chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://uww.org/sites/default/files/media/document/international_rules_for_the_change_of_nationality_dec_15_eng.pdf -
Should USA coaches/RTC help foreign athletes beat Americans?
SocraTease replied to Dogbone's topic in International Wrestling
It happens all the time in other sports. In track and field, many of the top athletes attend US colleges and stay here to train before competing for their "home" countries at international events. Why all the attention on a narrow nationalism (jingoism and xenophobia) and countries? We live in an increasingly globalized world where nearly everything moves across fairly porous borders: ideas, animals, consumer goods, people, air, viruses, water, technology, pollution, etc. The movement of wrestlers likely increases the level of competition and pushes the sport along to higher levels. If guys from the US (or Dagestan) can make it to the Olympics or Worlds elsewhere and win medals, then it's clear that the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best guys here, for example, are better than the top guys at a weight in Mexico or Serbia. If you are a fan of RBY or Gomez here, why not root for them when they compete for Mexico? They aren't taking a US spot. -
I think he gets the 3 seed first (Bouzakis). The 1 and 2 seeds get byes in each of the brackets because there are 14 not 16 wrestlers.