How in gods holy name are Ramos and Bartlett still ranked #1 after taking loses in the B1Gs?

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3 minutes ago, maligned said:

It's not about disregarding tournaments. It's that rankings and standings consider all matches/games equally, with tiebreaker biases toward head-to-heads first and foremost, then possibly toward recency or specified bigger events. When two guys or teams have one loss versus three losses and the head-to-head is also involved, the 3-loss guy will never be ranked higher because of the principle of weighting all results mostly on the same footing.

So are you only arguing against Hardy and not Lilledahl?

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1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

Everyone should quit worrying about this. Seeds at 125 do not matter this year - you could wrestle this weight 10 times and 16 different wrestlers would be AAs. It's a crapshoot, wide-open weight this year.

I disagree a little bit. I think it's a little more predictable than last year. I'll be surprised if we don't see any of Ramos, Figs, or Lilledahl on the podium. Ramos has been way more active and aggressive than last year. I don't think he'll lose a match because of freezing up again. Figs looked insane at Big 12s other than the fluke loss his first match. He could certainly lose an upset, but it's hard to imagine him losing a couple other than amongst the very best. And Lilledahl seems to be at the highest level he's been all year. I expect one of these 3 to win it and all of them to be Top 8.

Edited yesterday at 02:48 PM by maligned

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4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So are you only arguing against Hardy and not Lilledahl?

The Hardy one is just more obvious. But ranking Ramos over Lilledahl also feels very normal if you're considering all matches equally and only elevating certain matches' importance for tiebreakers' sake.

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1 hour ago, maligned said:

The Hardy one is just more obvious. But ranking Ramos over Lilledahl also feels very normal if you're considering all matches equally and only elevating certain matches' importance for tiebreakers' sake.

Ranking a guy ahead of someone that just majored him doesn’t feel very normal to me