BIGTENFANBOY

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If you watched any of Steveson's WWE work you would know how horrible he was at staged/scripted wrestling which is all the proof you need to know that Hendrickson's win was 100% legit.

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Wow, 8 third place finishes?  How did Penn State get to enter 13 wrestlers in total?

5 3rd places. Sorry for the typo.

PSU Currently at 169 points heading into the finals.

5 3rd place finishes

1 5th place finish

1 6th palace finish that likely would have been 2nd or 3rd if not injured.

3 finalists... win 1 PSU breaks the All Time Scoring record again

18 hours ago, Konquest said:

Oh, and the correct answer is "Carter Starocci".  A combination of reasons: I don't like the 5x national champ thing, I don't like his abject refusal to say anything nice about any of his competitors, along with his twitter fingers s--t talking, and finally (this has nothing to do with Starocci) Parker Keckeisen represents everything good about the sport and it'd be great to see him finish on top again.

You don't like the fact that Carter received 5 postseasons yet are rooting for a guy who also got 5 postseasons. 

1 hour ago, jajensen09 said:

Smith

Byrd

Hardy 

Lovett

Kassak

Haines

Pinto

McNally

Cardenas 

Gable

Not sure how's Haines will win 165...

37 minutes ago, Psalm 1 guy said:

I believe Josh stays at 197 for next season. Staying at 197 will allow Barr to continue to add good weight (he has mentioned he cuts a few pounds to make 197) while still being able to cut down to 86 kg for freestyle events. I believe wrestling 184 is less optimal for his freestyle pursuits as a cut down to 86kg from 197 seems like a better strategy than wrestling as a small (relatively) 86kg'er who comes up from 184 lbs. Cutting to 86 kg while wrestling 197 was successful for Bo and Aaron. Even Taylor was cutting a lot of weight at the end to make 86 kg.

Bo Nickal was undersized at 197.

Brands better not screw this up.

35 minutes ago, RawDog said:

I can't believe parco broke like that. He will never beat SVN.

Teemer will be fine, he just came back from a serious injury and was still in that match with a very good kasak.  He is still a title contender.

Messinbrink with an insane beat down of Caliendo. Caliendo saw that intense pace three times before and had a full year to prepare for it and yet somehow the gap got larger.  Who is a bigger lock to win ncaas this year, Gable or Messenbrink?

Ferrari looked good.  Like really really good!

Buchanan had a nice savvy vet win but I still feel like it's going to be hard for him to beat Barr two more times this year.

Penn State seems to have far superior conditioning up and down the lineup. What happened? Iowa used to be known for their pace

If Kasak wrestles Teemer again he will widen the gap.

If Barr wrestles Buchanan again he will pass him.

In 1999 PSU Football player Rick Bolinsky a 1996 PIAA Champ from North Schuylkill, made the starting lineup and wrestled heavyweight for a few matches.

12 hours ago, 1032004 said:

You sure we want @BIGTENFANBOY back?

Funny

125 Lilledahl dec Cruz 8-2

133 Ayala dec Davis 4-3

141 Barlett dec Block 7-2

149 Van Ness dec Parco 6-3

157 Kasak dec Teemer 4-1

165 Messenbrink dec Caliendo 10-4

174 Haines dec Brands 4-1

184 Starrocci dec Arnold/Ferrari 6-1

197 Barr dec Buchanan 4-1 SV

285 Kerkvliet dec Kueter 10-3

All bouts competitive but final score 27-3

1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

that was a bizarre answer

Not an answer, more so commentary on Desanto and he was generally loved by the community until that moment. After that everyone rooted against him at NCAAs.. 

34 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

 

My wife also accuses me of occasional dumb takes. 

So basically VakAttack is your wife.

18 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I kind of agree (but I don't because you are talking about a high school match against someone on one leg, and he didn't place at drexel), but in the same breadth are you willing to admit that the Desanto who graduated was a way better citizen than the one who showed up? Developing him as a person is part of coaching, and despite the fact that he did cringy stuff at Iowa too, it definitely became less and less of a factor. 

I remember the general fan base loving Desanto's antics until EIWA's where he tried to injured Tucker..

7 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

That win over Lee in h.s. was something no other h.s. wrestler was able to accomplish, so pretty good. Again, not saying he got worse just that its hard to laud "improvement" based on coaches "developing" his talents when he went from consistently beating a guy to consistently losing to that same guy in exactly the same manner each and every time. Just where was the development from his coaches there? 

People seem to forget Desanto was ranked number 2 in the country behind Lee before the upset, so again he was already pretty damn good.

4 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I want to see video of McHenry vs Lilledahl lives goes.

That must be wild.


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15 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

"The referee must exercise sound judgement". He clearly did not.

He clearly didn't exercise sound judgement as a coach either. 

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/nazareth/2013/05/former_nazareth_standout_wrest.html

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

It's not like this is being used for seeding. It's just a stupid list. But like anything, you can argue the veracity of each one. If you beat a guy the year he wins it...I think you can count that. 

It's kinda a meaningless award.

So Starocci doesn't have the most NCAA Champs beaten. He's got 4 of them himself! That's the determining factor. 

Sure, it's just a discussion. My point though is i don't consider Metcalf's wins over JB or Mollinaro as wins over NCAA champs. Where as Carter's wins over Nolf, Derringer, Lewis, Griffith, and Keck are undeniable.

I would never say Paul Jenn beat a 4x Undefeated NCAA Champ where as I would absolutely say Larry Owings beat a 2x NCAA champ..

On 9/23/2024 at 4:04 PM, Truzzcat said:

I think he will grow into 133 at some point but fair point since 2010 I think Mcdonough,Delgado,Spencer are the only guys to win 2 or more.

Stephen Abas won 3 titles at 118/125.

He went 4, 1, 1, ORS, 1.

Know you qualified your post with since 2010.

3 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Says who? You're arbitrary ruling? He beat him the year he won an NCAA Championship. 

In other words, he beat an NCAA Champ. 

Brandon Slay when 1-17 his first year of wrestling. I guess those 17 kids can say they beat an Olympic Gold Medalist.. 

Does it really count as "beating an NCAA Champ" if you beat them BEFORE they won their title? IMO I would say no..

Do Levi Haines and Tyler Kasak, 2 big time M2 guys follow Taylor?

1 minute ago, wrestle87 said:

Uh…brooks was a 4x champ up with the big boys and just dethroned the olympic champion at his weight.  Last time that happened was…Cael?

That was a generation ago, sounds generational to me.

It really depends on scope though.  If you say talent out of maryland, yes generational talent.  Takent out of the PSU room? Well, he kinda just did what was expected.

To be honest to the word, generational talents in coaching would be gable and cael, and on the mat would be baumgartner, smith, jb, snyder, saitiev, and sadulaev.

Synder's from Maryland

54 minutes ago, MNRodent said:

Body language is a real thing.  Watch any random tournament where you don't know anyone and try guessing winners just based on body language.

I had a similar feel when watching Gilman's interview prior to his finals match with Lee. You could see he no longer had the fire to win.