the difference between 7 or 8th and 1st is razor thin generally in pa most of his career losses not from wpial guys but at powerade king of mountain ect as 4x nw regional champ including 1 this year at powerade to dekraker. not bashing your comment, its just that a point or 2 in pa is the difference between most places and 4x medalists are pretty eye opening in regardless of place in pa i do not have statistics but im guessing not a large number of 4x medalists most years