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From Cadets to Contenders: Spencer Lee and the Rise of U.S. Wrestling’s Next Generation The U.S. men’s U20 team just dominated worlds. A decade earlier, Spencer Lee was doing the same in age-group championships. What links those moments isn’t just talent — it’s a rebuilt system that now produces wrestlers who matter most in the global network of competition. https://medium.com/@mattgrogan/from-cadets-to-contenders-spencer-lee-and-the-rise-of-u-s-wrestlings-next-generation-671c6860d362

Well, it's a screen shot of a screen shot. I really wanted it to me much more crisp. I haven't figured out how to get nice images from my little front end tool. But it is on my to do list!

In an attempt to keep my self sane and use some of the things I have to at work for a good cause I've set out to do some research on wrestling. I've been working with @Wrestleknownothing and @cowcards on some NCAA results, more on that later. But...the world championship previews and in particular the discussions of athletes that have moved across weight classes had me wondering how common that is? And who does it the most? And is there anything we can learn from it? I haven't yet answered those questions, but I manged to mangle together some results from UWW results ( ~8,000). I put them in a network connecting wrestlers by bouts and then ran some algorithms to group them. No surprise the clusters mostly aligned to weight classes. I need to dig a little deeper, but, I find the non olympic weights interesting to look at and see how those wrestlers have moved around over the years. https://medium.com/@mattgrogan/the-united-world-wrestling-graph-2018-2025-4f9e1f9119fe

Ahh yes. The null seed got me. Good catch.

Hmm. Something isn’t adding up. I’m guessing my query. But now this is going to bother till I’m back home.

Can I get a Quentin Wright for the win?? | person_id | search_name | years_exceeded_seed | | ------------------------------------ | -------------- | ------------------- | | c9ed15ff-4585-4a97-b4d0-891517bf585d | quentin wright | 4 | | eea55ad1-bebe-4559-8063-8680a678c74b | coleman scott | 4 |

The time of repechage was rough for some. Steve Pivac lost to the same opponent in the first round of the 1975 and 1976 tournaments. He's opponent never made it far enough for Pivac to be pulled back into repechage.

Can't let @Wrestleknownothing have all the fun. Let’s kick things off with a head-scratcher from the NCAA archives… Nash Tillman wrestled in three NCAA tournaments, competed in five matches, but faced only three different opponents. But here’s the real trivia bomb: He lost to the same opponent in consecutive matches, not just once, but TWICE, in back-to-back years—each time against a different guy! The Breakdown: Year Weight Round Opponent School Result Score 1964 147 champ 32 Dino Boni Pittsburgh (Pa) Win 5-3 (dec) 1964 147 champ 16 Veryl Long Iowa State Loss 0-4 (dec) 1965 147 champ 32 Veryl Long Iowa State Loss 1-2 (dec) 1965 147 consi 8 #2 Loren Miller San Jose State (Ca) Loss Fall 4:44 1966 145 champ 32 Loren Miller San Jose State (Ca) Loss 1-2 (dec) In ‘64 and ‘65, Nash’s tournament run ended with back-to-back losses to Veryl Long. In ‘65 and ‘66, he finished with consecutive losses to Loren Miller! Has anyone else ever had a string of losses to the same opponent in consecutive NCAA tournaments? Or is Nash Tillman in a league of his own? I would have thought having consecutive losses to the same opponent would be very rare, however, since 1929 it seems to have happened around 90 times (still doing some validating on some). Any guesses for recent wrestlers who fall into this bucket?

Will someone check this guy’s math?!? Kidding, kidding—but let’s put Charlie Heard’s 1984 run under the microscope for a second. Now @Wrestleknownothing did say, “I give you the guys who racked up the points on the way to victory.” But if you throw in that 6-7 loss to Bob Hallman, Charlie’s tournament total jumps to 102 points. That actually puts him at the very top for single-year scoring—talk about piling it on! Wrestling stats never sleep! When you include losses in the list the order changes slightly (turns out scoring a lot of points is correlated with winning).

I'm guessing Pat Pop and Tannenbaum didn't think they'd be connected to these OT kings

╒══════════════════╤══════════════╕ │wrestler_name │consecutive_ot│ ╞══════════════════╪══════════════╡ │"Ryan Morningstar"│5 │ ├──────────────────┼──────────────┤ │"Ricardo Alcala" │5 │ ├──────────────────┼──────────────┤ │"Benjamin Berhow" │4 │ ├──────────────────┼──────────────┤

Wow, not related at all, but stumbled across it. Ryan Morningstar wrestled in 9 overtime matches in 19 matches at the NCAA tournament. He had 5 in a row spanning the 2009 and 2010 tournaments.

https://mgoblue.com/sports/wrestling/roster/lucas-davison/24924

Cam Amine is close, but he's a 4xAA.

I also only have data through 2021. Now I"m going to have to go searching through pdfs just to prove a point.

hmm. I'm stumped. ╒══════════════════╤══════════╤══════════╕ │name │placements│seeds │ ╞══════════════════╪══════════╪══════════╡ │"Daryl Weber" │[6, 6, 1] │[6, 99, 5]│ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Brian Realbuto" │[5, 2, 6] │[2, 2, 7] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Jeff Catrabone" │[7, 3, 3] │[3, 3, 5] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Brandon Precin" │[3, 7, 3] │[4, 8, 3] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Max Askren" │[5, 7, 1] │[6, 5, 6] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Adam DiSabato" │[4, 6, 3] │[4, 6, 4] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Thom Ortiz" │[2, 4, 7] │[2, 5, 7] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Temoer Terry" │[4, 3, 6] │[3, 2, 2] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Mack Reiter" │[5, 4, 4] │[8, 4, 3] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Cliff Moore" │[6, 1, 6] │[6, 5, 2] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Darian Cruz" │[1, 7, 5] │[4, 99, 1]│ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Ethan Lizak" │[2, 4, 7] │[6, 8, 6] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Steven Schmidt" │[4, 2, 7] │[3, 2, 1] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Cory Cooperman" │[7, 3, 3] │[99, 3, 4]│ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Greg Wagner" │[6, 3, 4] │[6, 3, 5] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Sebastian Rivera"│[6, 4, 3] │[10, 3, 1]│ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Mark Smith" │[4, 5, 4] │[1, 1, 2] │ ├──────────────────┼──────────┼──────────┤ │"Leroy Vega" │[3, 5, 5] │[3, 10, 3]│ └──────────────────┴──────────┴──────────┘

Is it before 1988? hmm

Also Sonny and Robert have a common opponent connection string...

Sonny was seeded 8th in 2010. Wouldn't that take him out of the criteria of not being seeded in the top 8?

Sonny was seeded 8th in 2010 ╒════════════╤═══════╤═══════╤══════╤════════╕ │w.name │wi.seed│m.round│m.year│m.weight│ ╞════════════╪═══════╪═══════╪══════╪════════╡ │"Sonny Yohn"│8 │"m7" │2010 │197 │ ├────────────┼───────┼───────┼──────┼────────┤ │"Sonny Yohn"│9 │"m7" │2011 │197 │ ├────────────┼───────┼───────┼──────┼────────┤ │"Sonny Yohn"│10 │"m5" │2012 │197 │ └────────────┴───────┴───────┴──────┴────────┘

Robert Sessley ╒════════════════╤═══════╤═══════╤══════╤════════╕ │w.name │wi.seed│m.round│m.year│m.weight│ ╞════════════════╪═══════╪═══════╪══════╪════════╡ │"Robert Sessley"│11 │"m7" │1999 │133 │ ├────────────────┼───────┼───────┼──────┼────────┤ │"Robert Sessley"│99 │"m7" │2001 │141 │ ├────────────────┼───────┼───────┼──────┼────────┤ │"Robert Sessley"│11 │"m3" │2002 │141 │

This will give me the answer....I'll let you know when I get back to my computer. match (w:Wrestler)-[wi:WRESTLED_IN_MATCH]->(m:Match) where w.seed > 8 and m.round in ['m1', 'm3', 'm5', 'm7'] with w.name as wrestler, collect(m) as medal_rounds where size(medal_rounds) = 3 return wrestler, medal_rounds

Very nice! This format seems oddly familiar though . What do you think @Wrestleknownothing?

I'm assuming the number is the total championships, not count of individual 3x'ers?