Iran wrestling news

[Lucho]

1 hour ago, Undefeated said:

But honestly, do you think countries like Armenia, Japan, or Russia are actually gonna pay us to compete?

I mean Russia did the whole PWL thing with us and USA so I wouldn't be surprised if similar events happen again. But I reckon smaller wrestling countries might for example Hungary or Serbia. I agree those with established wrestling traditions probably not but those developing or want to be potentially. But it is a stretch tbh.

[Lucho]

49 minutes ago, shiraz321 said:

They were not happy with Pirdayeh's performance after Asian juniors so they held a mini trial at 65 between him and 3 other wrestlers. This Tat guy won it. That's all I know about him. He hasn't been on any teams previously. 

As for Khateri, he is only on the team because the 61 at asian champs came fifth. I guess they think he can do better or just want to give someone else a chance. They sent Khateri to a junior tournament in Armenia a few months ago and he didn't do well so I wouldn't expect much. 

Ah ok that makes more sense. I was trying to remember if I saw Tat anywhere so that makes sense tbh. Hopefully he does well in worlds. Is he Mazani or is he Tehrani? I remember Khateri going to Armenia and doing poorly but I think everyone that went was really bad even Dadmarz. It's a shame that khateri has fallen off since he won u17 worlds but he is still super young so he may end up being a world beater in a couple years time. Maybe the higher weight suits him better than 57kg

[shiraz321]

4 hours ago, Lucho said:

Ah ok that makes more sense. I was trying to remember if I saw Tat anywhere so that makes sense tbh. Hopefully he does well in worlds. Is he Mazani or is he Tehrani? I remember Khateri going to Armenia and doing poorly but I think everyone that went was really bad even Dadmarz. It's a shame that khateri has fallen off since he won u17 worlds but he is still super young so he may end up being a world beater in a couple years time. Maybe the higher weight suits him better than 57kg

He represents Hormozgan. Couldn't find anything on if he is actually from there or just representing them.

[GrandOlm]

13 hours ago, Lucho said:

 With all due respect to both guys Yazdani is a class above them both so you would expect Yazdani being capable to beat Sadulaev. . 

But that logic runs into problems since Sadulaev destroyed Taylor, the same Taylor who owned the rivalry against Yazdani. Saduleav is really strong and has excellent balance, body movement instincts. I see him figuring out Yazdani, especially this older and injured version. 

I think Yazdani is going to find 97kg a wake up call compared to what him and Taylor feasted on for years at 86 kg. He's going to have to beat people like Snyder when before it was rolling up Deepak and Amine to get your guaranteed silver/bronze. 

[shiraz321]

Yaz will keep it upper body and try and hand fight with him for 6 minutes. He will never shoot on Sad which is what got Taylor killed. I don't think he will win but I think unless he is completely washed from his injuries he will be able to lose by less than Taylor did against Sad. 

[Truzzcat]

Is Yaz going straight to 97 or will he do 92 and then 97 for 2028? I am not sure I would pick him to beat Azarpira.

[Window12]

He is heavier than  92 by all accounts- Dabir said about 100 a little while ago. He would be sent to some ranking events and considered  for the  Asian champ initially to see how he is fairing before any major challenge to Azarpira is on the cards I suspect. 

[Truzzcat]

32 minutes ago, Window12 said:

He is heavier than  92 by all accounts- Dabir said about 100 a little while ago. He would be sent to some ranking events and considered  for the  Asian champ initially to see how he is fairing before any major challenge to Azarpira is on the cards I suspect. 

He looked huge from what I have seen however definitely some weight that he could do away with. Wherever he is at his best I hope he competes. He would probably win gold this year at 92. Trent is one of the favorites and while I think trent is better at 92 and is better since they met Yaz kind of demolished him last they met.

[Lucho]

6 hours ago, GrandOlm said:

But that logic runs into problems since Sadulaev destroyed Taylor, the same Taylor who owned the rivalry against Yazdani. Saduleav is really strong and has excellent balance, body movement instincts. I see him figuring out Yazdani, especially this older and injured version. 

I think Yazdani is going to find 97kg a wake up call compared to what him and Taylor feasted on for years at 86 kg. He's going to have to beat people like Snyder when before it was rolling up Deepak and Amine to get your guaranteed silver/bronze. 

No I know that logic is completely flawed what I meant was if Sadulaev was "struggling" against those guys and there style, Yazdani who is a better wrestler should have a good chance. In saying that I don't think he should move up to 97kg he would be better off at 92kg but I guess he wants 4 olympic medals.

[Window12]

3 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

He looked huge from what I have seen however definitely some weight that he could do away with. Wherever he is at his best I hope he competes. He would probably win gold this year at 92. Trent is one of the favorites and while I think trent is better at 92 and is better since they met Yaz kind of demolished him last they met.

Whilst he can in due course compete say at the Asian champs at 92 if he loses the extra weight without having to mount a major challenge domestically, if he wants to compete at 92 at the worlds  he will have to face Firouzpour who is similarly tough at 92 as is Azarpira at 97. But the international competition is on paper more manageable at 92 I agree.

[Lucho]

12 hours ago, shiraz321 said:

He represents Hormozgan. Couldn't find anything on if he is actually from there or just representing them.

When was the last time we've had someone from Hormozgan making a team? I imagine this is a incredibly exceptional case. I like seeing guys from weaker wrestling provinces making the team as I feel like one of our biggest problems is our super concentrated talent pool in Mazandaran and Tehran. If Dabir invests in traditionally strong wrestling provinces like Lorestan and Kermanshah I feel like we will have a more competitive domestic talent pool. If the Russians can do it, so can we. 

[GrandOlm]

33 minutes ago, Lucho said:

When was the last time we've had someone from Hormozgan making a team? I imagine this is a incredibly exceptional case. I like seeing guys from weaker wrestling provinces making the team as I feel like one of our biggest problems is our super concentrated talent pool in Mazandaran and Tehran. If Dabir invests in traditionally strong wrestling provinces like Lorestan and Kermanshah I feel like we will have a more competitive domestic talent pool. If the Russians can do it, so can we. 

What do you mean by that? Did something major happen at Russian Nationals. I thought it was the same old provinces winning when I skimmed the results. Aren't almost all their top wrestlers still from Dagestan and Ossetia? 

[Lucho]

33 minutes ago, GrandOlm said:

What do you mean by that? Did something major happen at Russian Nationals. I thought it was the same old provinces winning when I skimmed the results. Aren't almost all their top wrestlers still from Dagestan and Ossetia? 

It was for the most part Dagestan and North Ossetia but other republics have also done decently well in the last couple of years. Lev Pavlov and Konstantin Kapyrnov are Yakutsk, Nachyn Mongush is Tuvan, Magomed Eltemirov, Khalid Yakhiev, Azamat Zakuev and the Khizriev brothers are all Chechen. These guys have all either won or ended up on the podium at Yaryguin and/or Russian Nationals in the last 2 years. Of course this is a very isolated sample and not all the top guys compete at these tournaments but it shows that it's not just Dagestan and North Ossetia over there whereas in Iran it's pretty much Mazandaran and sometimes Tehran.

[GrandOlm]

1 minute ago, Lucho said:

It was for the most part Dagestan and North Ossetia but other republics have also done decently well in the last couple of years. Lev Pavlov and Konstantin Kapyrnov are Yakutsk, Nachyn Mongush is Tuvan, Magomed Eltemirov, Khalid Yakhiev, Azamat Zakuev and the Khizriev brothers are all Chechen. These guys have all either won or ended up on the podium at Yaryguin and/or Russian Nationals in the last 2 years. Of course this is a very isolated sample and not all the top guys compete at these tournaments but it shows that it's not just Dagestan and North Ossetia over there whereas in Iran it's pretty much Mazandaran and sometimes Tehran.

I meant more so in the aggregate and for the creme de la creme, not in absolute terms. I was thinking about the eastern origin wrestler who medaled at 57 kg while writing the original comment. 

The situation in Russia is that slavic Russians (the majority of the nation) have no footprint in wrestling (freestyle). Is it that truncated in Iran? There are ethnic Persian wrestlers, right?

 

[Lucho]

8 minutes ago, GrandOlm said:

I meant more so in the aggregate and for the creme de la creme, not in absolute terms. I was thinking about the eastern origin wrestler who medaled at 57 kg while writing the original comment. 

The situation in Russia is that slavic Russians (the majority of the nation) have no footprint in wrestling (freestyle). Is it that truncated in Iran? There are ethnic Persian wrestlers, right?

 

Wrestling as a whole might be the national sport of the country but like Russia other sports are far more popular and widespread. Football is very widespread and everyone plays it and follows it. The only other sport I think has mass appeal is volleyball  and even then that is hyper focussed in the West Azerbaijan and Golestan provinces. Urmia the capital city of West Azerbaijan province is essentially Volleyball's Jouybar. The vast majority of top talent in Iran have come from one city in one province.  Going back to wrestling, absolutely Persian's do wrestle think the Geraei's, Khadem's, Hamid Sourian etc and more recently Gholamreza Farrokhi, Abbas Ebrahimzadeh, Amir Ali Azarpira. It's just that if you want to be a top tier wrestler the likelihood of achieving that in Freestyle and not being from Mazandaran is incredibly low. Every suburb has at least one wrestling gym with top tier coaches and pretty much every kid wrestles. You would have more chance of doing so in Greco which Mazani's don't really do. Wrestling isn't really one ethnic groups' sport pretty much every ethnic group in the country has some form of wrestling. Whether that's Kurd's (Azimi), Bakhtiari's (Mirzazadeh, Esmaeili), Mazani's (Yazdani's, Ghasempour), Baloch, Turkmen etc. It just so happens that in certain regions greater investment and development has been done to translate their wrestling style into olympic styles so that's why Bakhtiari's in Khuzestan pretty much all do Greco and Mazani's pretty much only freestyle. Of course there are exceptions to that rule such as Saravi and Ghasem Rezaei but for the most part they don't really mix styles. Ethno-linguistic identity is quite complex in Iran as most of the ethnic groups mix together and are far less socially isolated nowadays. So even the term Persian is quite ambiguous as it more or less includes everyone but Arabs, Kurds, Baloch, Armenians/Assyrian/Chaldean and Turkic groups (Turkmen, Azeri etc). However, even then I imagine that is up for discussion and debate as well. Of course those who are more knowledgeable on this topic can also chime in and correct me but I think that's a relatively accurate assessment.

[Undefeated]

Hamid Sourian, Takhti, Dabir - all Olympic champs, all from Tehran. And then Olympic medalists like

Molaghasemi,

Naser Givehchi,

Mojtabavi,

Khojastehpour,

Seyfpour,

Sanatkaran,

Ali Akbar Heydari,

Alireza Heydari,

SeyedAbbasi,

Abbas Jadidi

....

Edited 19 hours ago by Undefeated

[shiraz321]

6 hours ago, Lucho said:

When was the last time we've had someone from Hormozgan making a team? I imagine this is a incredibly exceptional case. I like seeing guys from weaker wrestling provinces making the team as I feel like one of our biggest problems is our super concentrated talent pool in Mazandaran and Tehran. If Dabir invests in traditionally strong wrestling provinces like Lorestan and Kermanshah I feel like we will have a more competitive domestic talent pool. If the Russians can do it, so can we. 

I will guess he isn't actually from Hormozgan. Vahabian who just came second at cadet worlds at 71kg represents Gilan but is from Mazandaran.  Not 100% but I will assume he is from elsewhere. 

[Truzzcat]

Not sure about Kadiev's origin I assume Dagestan but otherwise most of Russia's better young guys are Chechen currently.