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1 hour ago, lu_alum said:


Although Wade Schallrs’ time at East Stroudsburg cost him a postseason at Clarion, I don’t believe he ever actually wrestled a match for East Stroudsburg.


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This is also kind of true for the VT transfers.  Never wrestled in a VT singlet and didn't use eligibility at VT, but lost eligibility at Iowa.  I think the criteria WKN used was if the transfer cost any eligibility at all they didn't make the squint list.  

In the future there might possibly be an exception named Mitchell Mesenbrink.  He did a redshirt year at Cal Baptist and then transferred to PSU.  He has 4 years to use at PSU, but he actually wrestled in a couple duals for Cal Baptist last year.  The change to the freshman redshirt rules allowed for it.  If he goes on to win a title will WKN put him in the squint list?

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22 minutes ago, fishbane said:

This is also kind of true for the VT transfers.  Never wrestled in a VT singlet and didn't use eligibility at VT, but lost eligibility at Iowa.  I think the criteria WKN used was if the transfer cost any eligibility at all they didn't make the squint list.  

In the future there might possibly be an exception named Mitchell Mesenbrink.  He did a redshirt year at Cal Baptist and then transferred to PSU.  He has 4 years to use at PSU, but he actually wrestled in a couple duals for Cal Baptist last year.  The change to the freshman redshirt rules allowed for it.  If he goes on to win a title will WKN put him in the squint list?

Do you mean the VT xfers that went to Iowa?  The competed at VaTech during their RS season.  Here are their Southern Scuffle results:

2005 Southern Scuffle Results

133 lbs.
Round of 64 Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) def. Amond Prater (Missouri) 10-2
Round of 32 Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) def. Chris Jenkins (E. Michigan) 23-7
Round of 16 Mack Reiter (Minnesota) def. Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) Pin (4:03)
Wrestleback 3rd Will Powars (George Mason) def. Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) 3-1

141 lbs.
Round of 64 Dan Leclere (Virginia Tech) def. Peter Ferrara (Virginia) 7-2
Round of 32 Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) def. Matt Easter (Cornell) 4-2
Round of 16 Cory Cooperman (Lehigh) def. Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) Pin (2:17)
Wrestleback 3rd Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) def. Marcus Cox (Appalachian St.) 10-9
Wrestleback 4th Rick McLaughlin (Edinboro) def. Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) 5-3

149 lbs.
Round of 32 Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) def. Andrew Schlaffer (Maryland) 8-7
Round of 16 Keith Dickey (Cornell) def. Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) DQ
Wrestleback 3rd Drew DiPasquale (Virginia) def. Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) FORFEIT

174 lbs.
Round of 32 Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Scott Fisher (UNCG) 14-0
Round of 16 Travis Frick (Lehigh) def. Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) 7-4
Wrestleback 3rd Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Jesse Feinsod (Navy) PIN (1:47)
Wrestleback 4th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. T.J. Sayers (Chattanooga) 14-4
Wrestleback 5th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Doug Umbehauer (Rider) 8-7
Wrestleback 6th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Aaron Miller (Kent State) 6-5
Wrestleback 7th Travis Frick (Lehigh) def. Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) 11-6
Fifth Place Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Neal Martin (Appalachian State) 4-0

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1 hour ago, fishbane said:

This is also kind of true for the VT transfers.  Never wrestled in a VT singlet and didn't use eligibility at VT, but lost eligibility at Iowa.  I think the criteria WKN used was if the transfer cost any eligibility at all they didn't make the squint list.  

In the future there might possibly be an exception named Mitchell Mesenbrink.  He did a redshirt year at Cal Baptist and then transferred to PSU.  He has 4 years to use at PSU, but he actually wrestled in a couple duals for Cal Baptist last year.  The change to the freshman redshirt rules allowed for it.  If he goes on to win a title will WKN put him in the squint list?

Good point. This stuff is messy.

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10 hours ago, lu_alum said:

Do you mean the VT xfers that went to Iowa?  The competed at VaTech during their RS season.  Here are their Southern Scuffle results:

2005 Southern Scuffle Results

133 lbs.
Round of 64 Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) def. Amond Prater (Missouri) 10-2
Round of 32 Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) def. Chris Jenkins (E. Michigan) 23-7
Round of 16 Mack Reiter (Minnesota) def. Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) Pin (4:03)
Wrestleback 3rd Will Powars (George Mason) def. Joey Slaton (Virginia Tech) 3-1

141 lbs.
Round of 64 Dan Leclere (Virginia Tech) def. Peter Ferrara (Virginia) 7-2
Round of 32 Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) def. Matt Easter (Cornell) 4-2
Round of 16 Cory Cooperman (Lehigh) def. Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) Pin (2:17)
Wrestleback 3rd Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) def. Marcus Cox (Appalachian St.) 10-9
Wrestleback 4th Rick McLaughlin (Edinboro) def. Dan LeClere (Virginia Tech) 5-3

149 lbs.
Round of 32 Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) def. Andrew Schlaffer (Maryland) 8-7
Round of 16 Keith Dickey (Cornell) def. Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) DQ
Wrestleback 3rd Drew DiPasquale (Virginia) def. Brent Metcalf (Virginia Tech) FORFEIT

174 lbs.
Round of 32 Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Scott Fisher (UNCG) 14-0
Round of 16 Travis Frick (Lehigh) def. Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) 7-4
Wrestleback 3rd Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Jesse Feinsod (Navy) PIN (1:47)
Wrestleback 4th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. T.J. Sayers (Chattanooga) 14-4
Wrestleback 5th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Doug Umbehauer (Rider) 8-7
Wrestleback 6th Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Aaron Miller (Kent State) 6-5
Wrestleback 7th Travis Frick (Lehigh) def. Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) 11-6
Fifth Place Jay Borschel (Virginia Tech) def. Neal Martin (Appalachian State) 4-0

Yes those were the transfers I was talking about.  All those matches were in their redshirt year and would have been unattached.  These are similar to the matches Pucillo wrestled in redshirt.  The VT wrestlers didn't use eligibility that year at VT it was the next year at Iowa where eligibility was used.  Similar to Pucillo at Hofstra.

What's different with Mesenbrink is that he wrestled in two dual at Cal Baptist.  True freshman can now wrestle in 5 events attached.  So those duals count on his official record even though he didn't use any eligibility in wrestling them. Nor at least that's my understanding of the situation.

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19 hours ago, 11986 said:

I tried to find info on that yesterday, I have vague recall that he was a transfer but can't find anything to verify. 

 

19 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

Probably. He was class of 91 in HS per Indianamat and MSU lists him as 93-95 on their roster.

If you watch his NCAA finals match (Link) midway through the second period at about 6:40 in the video the broadcast team says he was a junior college champion at Lassen Community College in CA. 

Not sure if he is subject to the same exception at MSU as Williams was at Iowa...

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You covered most of these
 

Year Weight Place Name College Distinct Count of College AA Count Sum of Place Best Place Worst Place Distinct Count of Weight Last AA Year First AA Year
1999 133 7 Aaron Holker Brigham Young 2 3 15 1 7 2 2003 1999
2002 141 1 Aaron Holker Iowa State 2 3 15 1 7 2 2003 1999
2003 141 7 Aaron Holker Iowa State 2 3 15 1 7 2 2003 1999
2009 165 2 Andrew Howe Wisconsin 2 4 8 1 3 2 2014 2009
2010 165 1 Andrew Howe Wisconsin 2 4 8 1 3 2 2014 2009
2011 165 3 Andrew Howe Wisconsin 2 4 8 1 3 2 2014 2009
2014 174 2 Andrew Howe Oklahoma 2 4 8 1 3 2 2014 2009
                         
2008 149 2 Bubba Jenkins Penn State 2 2 3 1 2 2 2011 2008
2011 157 1 Bubba Jenkins Arizona State 2 2 3 1 2 2 2011 2008
1993 134 2 Cary Kolat Penn State 2 4 7 1 3 2 1997 1993
1994 134 3 Cary Kolat Penn State 2 4 7 1 3 2 1997 1993
1996 134 1 Cary Kolat Lock Haven 2 4 7 1 3 2 1997 1993
1997 142 1 Cary Kolat Lock Haven 2 4 7 1 3 2 1997 1993
1981 134 6 Clar Anderson Auburn 2 3 12 1 6 1 1984 1981
1983 134 1 Clar Anderson Oklahoma State 2 3 12 1 6 1 1984 1981
1984 134 5 Clar Anderson Oklahoma State 2 3 12 1 6 1 1984 1981
1986 167 5 Dave Lee Stanford 2 3 12 1 6 1 1989 1986
1988 167 6 Dave Lee Wisconsin 2 3 12 1 6 1 1989 1986
1989 167 1 Dave Lee Wisconsin 2 3 12 1 6 1 1989 1986
1978 150 3 Dave Schultz Oklahoma State 2 3 6 1 3 3 1982 1978
1981 158 2 Dave Schultz Oklahoma 2 3 6 1 3 3 1982 1978
1982 167 1 Dave Schultz Oklahoma 2 3 6 1 3 3 1982 1978
2014 149 1 Jason Tsirtsis Northwestern 2 3 11 1 7 1 2018 2014
2015 149 3 Jason Tsirtsis Northwestern 2 3 11 1 7 1 2018 2014
2018 149 7 Jason Tsirtsis Arizona State 2 3 11 1 7 1 2018 2014
1972 167 6 Jim Woods Washington 2 2 7 1 6 2 1974 1972
1974 UNL 1 Jim Woods Western Illinois 2 2 7 1 6 2 1974 1972
1986 190 4 Mark Coleman Miami Ohio 2 2 5 1 4 1 1988 1986
1988 190 1 Mark Coleman Ohio State 2 2 5 1 4 1 1988 1986
2012 285 8 Nick Gwiazdowski SUNY-Binghampton 2 3 10 1 8 1 2015 2012
2014 285 1 Nick Gwiazdowski North Carolina State 2 3 10 1 8 1 2015 2012
2015 285 1 Nick Gwiazdowski North Carolina State 2 3 10 1 8 1 2015 2012
2007 125 1 Paul Donahoe Nebraska 2 3 6 1 3 1 2009 2007
2008 125 3 Paul Donahoe Nebraska 2 3 6 1 3 1 2009 2007
2009 125 2 Paul Donahoe Edinboro 2 3 6 1 3 1 2009 2007
1991 118 5 Sam Henson Missouri 2 3 7 1 5 1 1994 1991
1993 118 1 Sam Henson Clemson 2 3 7 1 5 1 1994 1991
1994 118 1 Sam Henson Clemson 2 3 7 1 5 1 1994 1991
2002 285 2 Steve Mocco Iowa 2 4 6 1 2 1 2006 2002
2003 285 1 Steve Mocco Iowa 2 4 6 1 2 1 2006 2002
2005 285 1 Steve Mocco Oklahoma State 2 4 6 1 2 1 2006 2002
2006 285 2 Steve Mocco Oklahoma State 2 4 6 1 2 1 2006 2002
1991 126 3 Tony Purler Oklahoma State 2 2 4 1 3 1 1993 1991
1993 126 1 Tony Purler Nebraska 2 2 4 1 3 1 1993 1991
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How big of a deal was it when Dave Schultz transferred from Oklahoma State to Oklahoma back in the day? 

He transferred to UCLA first, then they dropped the program and he and Mark headed to OU.
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14 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:


He transferred to UCLA first, then they dropped the program and he and Mark headed to OU.

Was there a particular circumstance that led to him leaving OKSt?

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3 hours ago, Gus said:

Was there a particular circumstance that led to him leaving OKSt?

 

3 hours ago, 11986 said:

guessing - to wrestle with his brother

Brothers And Brawlers - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

'Dave spent one unhappy year at Oklahoma State, where he tried to cut too much weight, then transferred to UCLA to be with incoming freshman Mark and Horpel, then an assistant coach there.' 

 

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4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

1976, 142

Brad Smith for anyone who doesn’t want to google 

(edited due to accidentally reading the search result wrong initially)

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A couple things.

1. As to the Brands VTechers- they did use eligibility. Redshirting is part of their eligibility.

2. Maybe someone posted this (I don't feel like searching the lists now) but Rob Rohn Lehigh- transferred from Clarion.

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Listed is each title won after transferring (the 2nd column of colleges is where they transferred from):

 

1985 Arizona State Eddie Urbano 150 Arizona State/Pima
1989 Wisconsin Dave Lee 167 Stanford
2013 Illinois Jesse Delgado 125 Cal Poly
2014 Illinois Jesse Delgado 125 Cal Poly
1980 California-Bakersfield John Azevedo 126 Oklahoma State
2001 Illinois Adam Tirapelle 149 Stanford
1981 California-Bakersfield Dan Cuestas 126 Cal-Poly
1982 California-Bakersfield Dan Cuestas 126 Cal-Poly
1983 California-Bakersfield Adam Cuestas 118 Oregon
1980 California-Bakersfield Joe Gonzales 118 East Los Angeles/Oklahoma
1982 Oklahoma Dave Schultz 167 Oklahoma State/UCLA
1981 Oklahoma Mark Schultz 167 UCLA
1982 Oklahoma Mark Schultz 177 UCLA
1983 Oklahoma Mark Schultz 177 UCLA
1968 Adams State Dominic 'Nick' Carollo 191 El Camino
1962 Army Clifford 'Mike' Natvig Jr. 147 Iowa
1963 Army Clifford 'Mike' Natvig Jr. 147 Iowa
1963 Northern Iowa Bill Dotson 137 Upper Iowa
1997 Iowa Mark Ironside 134 Kirkwood
1998 Iowa Mark Ironside 134 Kirkwood
2010 Iowa Jay Borschel 174 Virginia Tech
1946 Northern Iowa Cecil Mott 121 Mason City [jc]
1967 Michigan State Dale Anderson 137 Iowa State
1968 Michigan State Dale Anderson 137 Iowa State
1999 Iowa Tim 'TJ Williams 149 Lassen
2001 Iowa Tim 'TJ Williams 157 Lassen
2000 Northern Iowa Tony Davis 149 Iowa Central
1964 Oklahoma State Yojiro Uetake 130 Waseda
1965 Oklahoma State Yojiro Uetake 130 Waseda
1966 Oklahoma State Yojiro Uetake 130 Waseda
2008 Iowa Brent Metcalf 149 Virginia Tech
2010 Iowa Brent Metcalf 149 Virginia Tech
1972 Iowa State Chris Taylor UNL Muskegon
1973 Iowa State Chris Taylor UNL Muskegon
2022 Penn State Max Dean 197 Cornell
2018 South Dakota State Seth Gross 133 Iowa
1991 Minnesota Marty Morgan 177 North Dakota State
2024 Penn State Daniel 'Greg' Kerkvliet 285 Ohio State
1993 Clemson Sammie Henson 118 Missouri
1994 Clemson Sammie Henson 118 Missouri
1993 Nebraska Tony Purler 126 Oklahoma State
2022 Michigan Nick Suriano 125 Penn State/Rutgers
2019 Rutgers Nick Suriano 133 Penn State
2005 Oklahoma State Steve Mocco 285 Iowa
1981 College of New Jersey Tom Martucci 190 Louisiana State
1980 Clemson Noel Loban 190 Farmingdale State
2014 North Carolina State Nick Gwiazdowski 285 Binghamton
2015 North Carolina State Nick Gwiazdowski 285 Binghamton
1983 Oklahoma State Clar Anderson 134 Auburn
1988 Ohio State Mark Coleman 190 Miami (OH)
1993 Ohio State Rex Holman 190 Arizona State
2008 Ohio State Mike Pucillo 184 Hofstra
1940 Oklahoma Harold Byrd 128 Oklahoma State
1951 Oklahoma Phil Smith 157 Auburn
1929 Oklahoma State Conrad Caldwell 165 Northeastern Oklahoma A&M
1930 Oklahoma State Conrad Caldwell 175 Northeastern Oklahoma A&M
1931 Oklahoma State Conrad Caldwell 175 Northeastern Oklahoma A&M
1993 North Carolina TJ Jaworsky 134 Oklahoma State
1994 North Carolina TJ Jaworsky 134 Oklahoma State
1995 North Carolina TJ Jaworsky 134 Oklahoma State
1933 Southwestern Oklahoma Ralph Teague UNL Oklahoma State
1934 Southwestern Oklahoma Ralph Teague UNL Oklahoma State
1948 Oklahoma State John St. Clair 160 Oklahoma Baptist
1995 Oklahoma State JJ McGrew 190 Notre Dame (IN)
1963 Lehigh Kirk Pendleton 157 ?
1971 Slippery Rock Stan Dziedzic 150 Indiana State
1991 California-Bakersfield Paul Keysaw 190 Bloomsburg
1963 Minnesota-Moorhead Arthur 'Bucky' Maughan 115 Indiana
2009 Edinboro Jarrod King 165 Oklahoma
1972 Clarion Wade Schalles 150 East Stroudsburg
1973 Clarion Wade Schalles 158 East Stroudsburg
1996 Lock Haven Cary Kolat 134 Penn State
1997 Lock Haven Cary Kolat 142 Penn State
1987 Pitt-Johnstown Carlton Haselrig 275 Lock Haven {FB}
1988 Pitt-Johnstown Carlton Haselrig 275 Lock Haven {FB}
1989 Pitt-Johnstown Carlton Haselrig 275 Lock Haven {FB}
1965 Oklahoma Greg Ruth 167 Lehigh
1966 Oklahoma Greg Ruth 160 Lehigh
1984 Penn State Scott Lynch 134 Navy
2002 Lehigh Rob Rohn 184 Clarion
2000 Minnesota Brock Lesnar 285 Bismarck State
2015 Penn State Mathew Brown 174 Iowa State
2002 Iowa State Aaron Holker 141 Brigham Young
2011 Arizona State Bubba Jenkins 157 Penn State
1970 Oklahoma State Darrell Keller 134 Columbia Basin
1971 Oklahoma State Darrell Keller 142 Columbia Basin
1960 Oklahoma Dale Lewis UNL Marquette
1961 Oklahoma Dale Lewis UNL Marquette
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On 4/2/2024 at 6:03 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Then the answer to the expanded question, who won and then transferred?

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WKN, here's a fascinating one.  UPenn's Rchard DiBatista won titles in '41 & '42 at 175.  Transferred to Navy and AA'd in '01 '02 at 141.  Snuck into the tournament under the alias Mark Conley. Maybe @cowcards has the back story

https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/bio/98

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13 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

WKN, here's a fascinating one.  UPenn's Rchard DiBatista won titles in '41 & '42 at 175.  Transferred to Navy and AA'd in '01 '02 at 141.  Snuck into the tournament under the alias Mark Conley. Maybe @cowcards has the back story

https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/bio/98

That must have been quite a weight pull for a man of that age.

Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals.

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10 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

WKN, here's a fascinating one.  UPenn's Rchard DiBatista won titles in '41 & '42 at 175.  Transferred to Navy and AA'd in '01 '02 at 141.  Snuck into the tournament under the alias Mark Conley. Maybe @cowcards has the back story

https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/bio/98

That is a pretty funny oops. Click on the "Suggest an Edit" button.  I have done this and they are very responsive. That is how the Wade Schalles bio got fixed.

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21 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Brad Smith for anyone who doesn’t want to google 

(edited due to accidentally reading the search result wrong initially)

NO!  It was Brad Smith! 😉

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