Will we finally see more throws?

[AnklePicker]

I'm wondering if coaches will start teaching more throws since you can get 7 points off of one good one.  The odds of going feet to back off of a TD is much less likely.  Most coaches seem to think throws are risky but when they present themselves they are actually not very risky and they have tremendous reward especially with the new rule set.  Nothing easier than a perfectly timed and executed lat drop.  

[CHROMEBIRD]

I'd like to see it, but not gonna happen. At this level, initiating a throw risks giving up 3 as much as it does scoring 3.

[AnklePicker]

On 11/27/2023 at 2:00 PM, CHROMEBIRD said:

I'd like to see it, but not gonna happen. At this level, initiating a throw risks giving up 3 as much as it does scoring 3.

Then why is it I see so many at the highest level work?  I think they don’t work as well because coaches don’t teach them. When a throw presents itself there isn’t an easier takedown. 

[Le duke]

Then why is it I see so many at the highest level work?  I think they don’t work as well because coaches don’t teach them. When a throw presents itself there isn’t an easier takedown. 

Because an arm spin or “correct throw”that results in no control in folk results in 2 or 4 in Freestyle.


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[bnwtwg]

31 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Because an arm spin or “correct throw”that results in no control in folk results in 2 or 4 in Freestyle.


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Correct throw is the most trash move ever. Didn’t hit your move? Don’t worry no problem you can have a couple points or at least just start over. Doesn’t matter about defense.

Garbage. It’s the one time where folk is superior to free.

[buckshot]

It's too risky. Look at a guy like Bo Nickal, he probably would have been an undefeated 4x champ if he didn't try crazy throws a few times. IMO the only reason to go big like that is if you're a big underdog and are guaranteed to lose anyway.

[Le duke]

Correct throw is the most trash move ever. Didn’t hit your move? Don’t worry no problem you can have a couple points or at least just start over. Doesn’t matter about defense.
Garbage. It’s the one time where folk is superior to free.

It’s the worst thing about freestyle.

When I saw that happen to Gilman at Worlds two years ago I thought, “Oh, he dodged that bullet. Landed on his knees.”

NOPE.


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[Eagle26]

9 hours ago, Le duke said:

Because an arm spin or “correct throw”that results in no control in folk results in 2 or 4 in Freestyle.


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And don’t forget about a slip too. Miss the headlock or arm spin in freestyle, it’s no points and you get to stand back up. Miss it in folk and your down 3 points plus stuck on bottom. 

[Jim L]

Adding a rule for 5 points for grand amplitude would be awesome.

Four points for feet to back would also be good.

 

[Jim L]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Correct throw is the most trash move ever. Didn’t hit your move? Don’t worry no problem you can have a couple points or at least just start over. Doesn’t matter about defense.

Garbage. It’s the one time where folk is superior to free.

I am not going to pretend to know exactly how a correct throw is scored in FS, but it is not ridiculous to earn points in a grappling contest by putting your opponent in a danger position where he does not want to be even if he is able to avoid the worst result of the move.

 

[Jim L]

45 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

And don’t forget about a slip too. Miss the headlock or arm spin in freestyle, it’s no points and you get to stand back up. Miss it in folk and your down 3 points plus stuck on bottom. 

I was explaining the FS slip rule and how I thought it was a silly rule to a judo friend who was completely unfamaliar with any wrestling rules, he could not comprehend how I thought someone should earn points if they didn't do anything.  The logic of a slip rule was obvious to him. Changed my perspective

[Tigerfan]

I’m no expert, but avoiding getting thrown at the D1 level requires significantly more effort/skill than “none”. I could not, in all likelihood, avoid getting tossed like a rag doll by Bryce Andonian. A slip at the international level requires the defensive wrestler to do much more than simply nothing. That said, I’ve seen many “slipped” headlocks that were simply theatrics to avoid the consequences of one’s opponent successfully digging a deep underhook. So slips are often melodrama and not genuine, imho. 
 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

19 minutes ago, Tigerfan said:

I’m no expert, but avoiding getting thrown at the D1 level requires significantly more effort/skill than “none”. I could not, in all likelihood, avoid getting tossed like a rag doll by Bryce Andonian. A slip at the international level requires the defensive wrestler to do much more than simply nothing. That said, I’ve seen many “slipped” headlocks that were simply theatrics to avoid the consequences of one’s opponent successfully digging a deep underhook. So slips are often melodrama and not genuine, imho. 
 

Yes... I liked the slip throw as  a competitor, because I would always "slip" as soon as a better wrestler got a tight hold on me in Greco or freestyle.  Worked pretty well until the year they started making you stay par terre after the slip.  91?