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Foley's Friday Mailbag: June 16, 2017

I'm in Taiwan this week to cover the Asian Junior Championships, and though I'm recovering from a World Team Trials hangover, jet lag that feels like botulism of the eyeballs and anxiety that the next rainstorm will wash away the building -- I can honestly say this tournament has been reinvigorating.

Back home much of the conversation around wrestling revolves around money in the sport, perceived biases of governing bodies and the personalities who comment on the mat. There is also the discussion about rankings and a myriad high-level complaint about NCAA schools and organizational structure. While those discussions have their place in the discourse around the sport, they can obscure why we love wrestling and who the sport should serve.

Wrestling is a significant sport for many Asian countries. Despite its cultural importance only a handful of nations have the resources to support the growth of their freestyle and Greco-Roman programs. Most do not. Even nations with plenty of money (i.e Singapore, Korea) don't have the institutional support to provide more for their athletes and grow interest in the sport.

Too often the nations with money and resources lack the ability to grow interest, and those with ability to grow interest lack the money and resources.

The Asian Junior Championships is a glimpse into how improvements to that balance are slowly being developed. Vietnam, a small country with traditionally limited funds, has used early success to spur additional resources, mined for funding from the Olympics and United World Wrestling and today is growing in both on-the-mat success and regional growth.

Taiwan, eager to find more Olympic medals, has used the success of women's wrestling in Japan and China to receive more funding for their program. Today they put a wrestler in the 51-kilogram bronze medal finals for women's wrestling.

Turkmenistan, a country OBSESSED with belt wrestling, has started the process of converting some to Greco-Roman. Yesterday, they won their first-ever continental gold medal in Greco-Roman. That success is 100 percent guaranteed to spark more support and grow the sport of wrestling worldwide.

These advancements are encouraging, but it's even more fulfilling to see how much these athletes enjoy the competition. Most have never left their country and all seem to be obsessed with the sport. To see them reaching for their goals is an inspiration for me as a professional, but also as a former wrestler.

I still won't be able to sleep tonight. The jet lag is like an earthworm boring deep into my temples, but for what I'm seeing here I'm happy to make that trade.

To your questions …

Q: I've been a huge supporter of freestyle and donated a good amount when wrestling was dropped from the Olympics, but after watching the World Team Trials I am done. I am glad they dropped spots for Tokyo and hope the sport is gone by 2024. Extremely disgusted with it.
-- Steve M.


Foley: Yikes! To what are you owing this disgust? I enjoy sipping on the contrarian tea as much as the next man, but the World Team Trials seemed above reproach in terms of excitement and showmanship.

What you may be referring to is the poor officiating in the J'den Cox vs. David Taylor match. That was unacceptable. From calling out-of-bounds at the wrong time, to ineffective mat chairmanship (someone to check the referee's bad call and white paddle), to the incredible non-call at the end there was plenty to make fans upset. But throwing out the sport due to their poor officiating seems overdramatic.

There will always be bad calls and disappointment in wrestling, but the quality of the action and the general fairness of the rules should give you some reason to come back.

David Taylor points at official Sammy Julian after losing to J'den Cox (Photo/Tony Rotundo, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)

Q: Did David Taylor and Cael Sanderson overreact on the officials? I did not see the match. It appears from reading articles Cox was stalling without penalty points.
-- Mike Z.


Foley: I think that both Taylor and Cael, with the benefit of time and distance, will tell you that they overreacted. However, wrestling is an emotional sport and these were terrible calls that directly cost Taylor the chance to represent the United States. That stings long term, but in the moment that is an acute feeling -- to think that you've been intentionally hosed.

Not to go overboard, but take this all a step further. David Taylor wrestled in (and won) the U.S. Open. He then enters the challenge tournament and wins four matches. He's also represented the United States in Iran and defeated two Olympic champions and another Olympic medalist. Then, he beats Cox handily in the first match, gets edged in the second and in the third -- after all that wrestling for that many months -- gets hosed by terrible officiating.

Overreaction? Maybe. Justified frustration? Yes.

Q: If 97 kilograms pans out like it should at the World Championships in Paris who do you think wins out, Kyle Snyder vs. Abdulrashid Sadulaev? Their styles collide and conditioning goes in Snyder's favor, but matchup wise it appears Saduleav has an advantage. So how do you see a potential match with these two athletes? Can this be an actual rivalry where both athletes can win at any given time or will it be "rivalry" where one athlete seems to have the best of the other?
-- Marcus R.


Foley: First, let me remind everyone that if Sadualev is up at 97 kilograms for the World Championships he will enter as an unseeded wrestler. Snyder will enter as the top seed. We can hope that they are separated, but there are no rules in place to secure that outcome.

The rivalry will persist no matter who wins the first matchup, or how. Just look at Dake and Burroughs. The former has only beaten the latter once and yet it's the most hyped rivalry in American wrestling. The overall series record is 7-1 which is hardly competitive, but since Dake had success in college and keeps the matches close, fans (and the media selling the matches) pump it up.

On the mat, I think Sadulaev has a clear speed and tactical advantage. Snyder will be in better condition, stronger and be able to thwart Sadulaev's gut wrench. The outcome is anyone's guess, but I'm assuming we see a 2-0 or 4-0 lead early by Sadualev but that Snyder makes headway with a positional battle that will make it a one point match with little time remaining.

Though I'm often criticized for being un-American with my selections, even I'm going with the Stars and Stripes during their first meeting. Snyder just has too much horsepower, even for "The Tank" Sadualev.

Q: Thoughts on Jordan Burroughs' medal chances in Paris?
-- Mike C.


Foley: 95 percent. Jordan Burroughs won gold medals when the whole world was taking aim at his throne. As the underdog, pressure-free and dropping in to the World Championships without a seed? Watch out, world.

2017 Junior World Team (Photo/Tony Rotundo, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)

Q: The Junior World Team is set. Extremely talented team with Mark Hall, Gable Steveson, Zahid Valencia, Daton Fix, Kollin Moore, Mitchell McKee and others. Scary to think Spencer Lee could have been on the team too. What's the over/under on medals won by the U.S. in freestyle?
-- Mike C.


Foley: In total, four medals with two being of the golden variety. For most fans that might seem light, but the world is a big and bad place with freestyle savvy talent tucked into every nook of the Caucus Mountains and throughout Asia.

This is the best Junior team I've seen, but the reality is that these wrestlers will be away from home, randomly inserted into tough brackets and behind the curve in terms of on-the-mat tactics and gamesmanship due to a career focus on folkstyle.

MULTIMEDIA HALFTIME

Big move from Asian Junior Championships

Q: Just wondering about the status of Aaron Pico. He was absent from the World Team Trials. Are his amateur wrestling days over in favor of MMA? Or does he still plan on competing?
-- Jared W.


Foley: Aaron Pico is making his MMA debut on June 24 Bellator card at Madison Square Garden. He is done wrestling.

Q: Are Kyle Dake and David Taylor the two best and most accomplished NCAA wrestlers never to be on a World Team?
-- MC


Foley: With four NCAA championships, Kyle Dake and Pat Smith are the most decorated college wrestlers to not make a world or Olympic team. The other two four-time NCAA champions, Cael Sanderson and Logan Stieber, won Olympic and world gold medals.

Taylor, while widely lauded, was a two-time NCAA champion and there are dozens of two-time NCAA champions who have never made a team.

Q: So last week's mailbag rant was an interesting read and in an ironic sense prepared me for the two interviews that Thomas Gilman gave in which he referred to Rei Higuchi as a "Jap." While I do recognize that he did apologize, I find it to be excuse plagued and rather empty. Moments like these can be very teachable, not just in the sense of an individual learning they should not use racist words to describe their opponent. Rather this moment should be used by the perpetrator to learn more about what makes the word so hurtful. Gilman's apology shows nothing to indicate he will do so. This leaves me skeptical to believe any real change of behavior will occur.
-- Jacob R.


Foley: Gilman is 23-year-old who has been celebrated for his candidness in front of the camera. He was hyped, didn't know how to get the best response and reached into Pearl Harbor nomenclature to evoke a response from his audience. None of this is acceptable, but this is part of the Villain Gilman image that he was trying to cultivate and stays in-step with the recent increase in speak-your-mind philosophy prevalent in today's politics.

The catch here is that USA Wrestling got into his ear and made sure that he gets his act together. Theirs is now a symbiotic relationship and they don't want negative press any more than Gilman wants to be needlessly dogged by the hysterics of sensitive snowflakes (sarcasm font).

As to broader, societal issues his comments reflect a broad acceptance by many Americans to make racially insensitive comments about Asians. I'm close to that issue, but am still surprised by how many people consider these comments acceptable. But, like you said, hopefully this is a learning tool for Gilman and others in the wresting community.

Q: Hayden Zillmer made the U.S. National Team in both freestyle and Greco-Roman this year. Very impressive. When was the last time this happened?
-- Mike C.


Foley: This is a great query.

To the comments section!

Q: I heard Dustin Kilgore is retiring. Have you heard of any other wrestlers retiring after the World Team Trials?
-- Mike C.


Foley: Yes, he announced it on social media. He has a lot to celebrate in his career and I'm sure he'll be as successful in his next career no matter the focus. Congrats to Dustin!

There may have been more, but I can't seem to remember at the moment. The vast majority won't have dramatic exits, but will instead slowly start prioritizing other aspects of their life and fade away from competition.

On a related note, I hear a lot of belly aching about "careers as a wrestler" not being an option for many Americans. Nothing is further from the truth. While wrestlers 3-10 on the depth ladder cannot make a living by traveling to 1-3 international tournaments a year, there is a substantial and lucrative support system in place for them to maintain their career while making money. Between camps, coaching and sponsorships big and small wrestlers in America are not starving.

No, they aren't professional football players making $350,000 the first year out of college, but the number of professional football players making $350,000 or more after three years is preposterously small when compared to participation rates.

The sport of wrestling is not a place to get rich, but there is money available. I do hope to see more direct payments being made to athletes, but first we need to understand only one organization in the sport is raking in millions of dollars of profit … and it's not United World Wrestling or USA Wrestling.

RANT SENT BEFORE WORLD TEAM TRIALS
By Pat H.


Maybe this is a rant rather than a question, but I think it's borderline disrespectful to hype the Jordan Burroughs-Kyle Dake match the way most people have. Burroughs is 5-0 against Dake! I don't care how close the matches were! Burroughs had ONE bad weekend in five years and we're ready to say that someone who has accomplished very little on the senior freestyle circuit is going to beat him? Now we are having hype videos for a series that has gone 0-5! Dake obviously is the No. 1 contender and will give Burroughs a great match and is capable of beating Burroughs, but I think we need to show a little more respect to one of the greatest American wrestlers of all time. He is the king until he is dethroned.

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ddb191 (1) about 10 months ago
In the discussion of greats who never made a world/Olympic team, there is one you forgot.... Pat Smith! First 4X NCAA champ, also stopped from making the team. Good match somewhere online with him and Satiev
trfoley (1) about 10 months ago
Thanks! That one slipped my mind.
Andrewmah (4) about 10 months ago
Pretty obvious you are a leftee Foley. Just like Trump beating your choice, J'den beat your choice. Now condition your mind to accept it. Don't make excuses for it. Wipe your tears and move on. I'm tired of the "alternative reality" of the fake news proponents and it's consumers.
trfoley (2) about 10 months ago
Lefty is meant to be an insult? I think you would consider me progressive, yes, but progress is a good thing. I don't invest in athletes and like Cox and Taylor equally. Taylor was 100-percent screwed.
Batman (4) about 10 months ago
Fake news indeed! J'Den won as he almost always does, and you gave him zero credit.
ResiliteMarine (5) about 10 months ago
"As to broader, societal issues his comments reflect a broad acceptance by many Americans to make racially insensitive comments about Asians."
WRONG
illuminato (6) about 10 months ago
Foley, I'm sorry that the coronation didn't go as planned. Once again you take the low road by criticizing a highly decorated, Olympic qualified official rather than directing your faux outrage where it belongs.

You make excuses for the guy that got blanked (3-0) in the first period, inflicted injury to his opponent. and then expected the referee to hand him a victory on a caution. "Jet Lag" has clearly left you incapacitated! Your bias is showing and it's not a good look.

Failing to give credit to J'Den Cox for his performance, under those circumstances, is just ignorant. It reminds me of a time not long ago when people criticized (and openly cheered against) a wrestler born without the benefit of two legs because was competing with an "unfair" advantage.

After watching the in-match tactics and especially the post-match antics, I am happy that J'Den Cox is representing Team USA!
trfoley (2) about 10 months ago
1. I know and like Sammy Julian. We've spent plenty of time together overseas and I think he is one of the best referees in the world. He (and the mat chair) made a series of very bad calls, but that is part of the job/career. I'm sure he knows it, too. Happened and is worth noting.

Cox is the man. Nothing against him, but he should have been called for Caution-2, that much is abundantly clear.
Bud111 (1) about 10 months ago
The wrestling was great but the refereeing was atrocious! Between Burroughs getting away with punching and poking in the eyes and the Taylor/Cox match turning into a water sport it became obvious much better training for officials is absolutely necessary!
trfoley (1) about 10 months ago
water sport! haha
Greg Gerdes (6) about 10 months ago
The whole issue about Gilman calling a person from Japan a "jap" is some of the most nonsensical PC crap I've ever heard.

You can call a person from Great Britain a "brit" - you can call a person from Switzerland a "swiss" - you can call a person from Australia an "aussie" etc. Why, you can even call a person from Canada a "canuck" and a person from the U.S. a "yank" - all without someone raising an eyebrow. But call a person from Japan a "jap" and OMG what an insensitive racist you are! What utter nonsense.

Grow up Jacob R, there are more important things in this world to worry about.
trfoley (2) about 10 months ago
Funny, I don't recall US internment camps for American citizens of British decent during WW2.
Greg Gerdes (4) about 10 months ago
OMG! - I just heard someone refer to a person from Czechoslovakia as a "czech"!!! I'm so upset - think I need some counseling!

Foley: "but am still surprised by how many people consider these comments acceptable."

You need grow up as well Foley.

OMG! - I just heard someone refer to a person from Poland as a - "pole"!!! What has this world come to!
Greg Gerdes (4) about 10 months ago
OMG! - I just heard someone call a person from Sweden a "swede" and a person form Finland a "fin"!!!

Mommy!!!
Greg Gerdes (4) about 10 months ago
OMG - I just heard someone refer to someone from Afghanistan as an "afghan"!!! What's going on here? Did I somehow enter the real world this morning?

Safe space - safe space - I have to get to my safe space.
Greg Gerdes (4) about 10 months ago
Nooooooo! Even my safe place isn't safe anymore!

I just heard someone refer to their Television set as a "tv"!

Someone please make it stop!

I need my therapist and my meds and my mommy!!!
donski2323 (4) about 10 months ago
I am no fan of Gilman. I'm the first to call him out but my goodness, everyone relax. He said "jap" and HE APOLOGIZED. So now you can read into a man's soul to tell if his apology was sincere? What would you have him do after the fact? And you keep referring to "many Americans" and "many people" are racially insensitive to Asians. Huh? Bro, where do you live that you see "many Americans" making racially insensitive remarks towards Asians? Such an irresponsible thing to say. New name for this blog: "Foley's Safe Space"
trfoley (2) about 10 months ago
I live in Manhattan. My wife is Asian. All the time, "bro."

And doesn't your complaining about my viewpoint make you the "snowflake"?
Whitetailwhisperer (1) about 10 months ago
Never seen David Taylor act like that. Terrible officiating. You gotta towel that guy off!!!! A lack of integrity in the sport produces nothing but a quickly disintegrating fan base. Who could honestly watch that match and think it had an in-biased outcome.
BadgerBoy (4) about 10 months ago
Mr Foley:
I enjoy your wrestling writing and especially appreciate your direct approach to the many social issues we encounter in our sport. Far too many broadcasters & sports writers avoid contentious issues for fear of alienating their audiences.

Unfortunately, several reader responses today (6/16) reflect an ignorance of derogatory labels & symbols and illustrate just how much work is needed to move us toward a more civil and inclusive society.

The suggestion by some readers that a racial slur about Asians is somehow the same as calling someone from the State of Wisconsin a "Wisconsinite" is astounding. Similarly, I find it discouraging to hear some readers apparently believe that calling you a "lefty" somehow diminishes you as a human being. I believe these readers would benefit by listening to the recent speech by the Mayor of New Orleans on the need to finally remove Confederate monuments.

In the US today, many people are unable to conduct a civil dialogue. Rather than being open and respectful to other opinions, folks seem to prefer to shout over, intimidate, and even demonize those with opposing views. That lack of civility is happening in even the most basic conversations, including those about wrestling.

The sport of wrestling teaches many life lessons: devotion, perseverence, the benefits of hard work and self sacrifice, and perhaps most important, respect for your opponent even if "he kicks your butt" or "you kick his butt".
We can all re-learn this lesson and apply it in being more civil in our daily interactions with others, including those with very different opinions.
trfoley (1) about 10 months ago
Thank you for taking the time to write. I appreciate your insight, and even if you'd disagreed your tone is certainly inline with someone who wants a dialogue. Be well.
Greg Gerdes (4) about 10 months ago
The suggestion by some readers that referring to a person from Japan - using the shortened "jap" - is somehow a racial slur is astounding.

However, as a person of Danish heritage, who is 3/8ths Danish - and thus a "Danish American" - It infuriates me that people use the racial slur "dane" when referring to my people. Have they no respect? Have they no shame? How "insensitive"! Do I have to hang out in my safe space all day long just to avoid the derogatory term "dane"?

And Badger "boy" - do you know how insensitive your screen name is to all African Americans who live in Wisconson? Why am I being subjected to such insensitivity on a blog called "Foley's Safe Space"?

I need to up my meds and find a new safe space.
Beemer (2) about 10 months ago
It's always fun when people who know nothing about officiating spout off on the subject. There were some debatable instances in that match, but calling anything in that match 'unacceptable' or a 'hosing' is, quite frankly, remarkably stupid.
silvermedal (3) about 10 months ago
Good synopsis of the officiating snafus in the decisive Taylor v Cox bout. I was rooting for Cox but the failure of the official to call caution and 2 or put Cox on the clock was mind boggling. Just because Cox was injured doesn't mean you officiate differently. Funny how some of people are all over Foley about being a "lefty" yet are condoning an official who was clearly feeling sorry for an injured wrestler. A true conservative would expect fairness regardless of injury. Foley's column is excellent as usual in my opinion. And I am far from a "liberal."
donski2323 (3) about 10 months ago
Breaking News: Jap Whizzer now banned from international wrestling!
SevenCs (2) about 10 months ago
For the same reason you don't call someone from China a "chink," someone from Japan should not be referred to as a "Jap." During and after WWII, it was used intentionally as derisive and as an ethnic slur. Though I don't agree with Foley's anecdotal evidence that insensitive comments against comments against Asians are more widespread, it's mainly because there's no published, reviewed, and cited evidence that I can find for it.

If you can't deal with an article that contains something you disagree with, you might want to go back to your own safe spaces.
Keyser Soze83 (3) about 10 months ago
jap is no slur, come on what ever happened to sticks and stones? You guys and too many Americans today are complete pussies when it comes to politics and PC nonsense.
Coltguy (2) about 10 months ago
Andrewmah I am with you on this one and you couldn't have said it better. Obviously a lefty who is incapable of accepting any result that reflects an opposing stance/view to his ideology. I often wonder if Foley isn't answering the questions he has written himself.. Like the alphabet media he is clearly biased...
mcclamrocks (3) about 10 months ago
I think the Cox/Taylor match was scored just fine; J'den took two shots in the final 29 seconds; his hand control and short defense was incredible. There is no 'Magic' offense that can beat great defense.
TooOld (2) about 10 months ago
I accept that Gilman's apology was sincere and that he meant no great offense by saying "Jap." However, for those of you insisting it is not a derogatory term, here are descriptions of it from some leading references.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "disparaging + offensive"

Oxford Dictionary: "offensive"

Dictionary.com: "a contemptuous term used to refer to a Japanese person"

Wikipedia: "In 2011, following the term's offhand use in a March 26 article appearing in The Spectator ("white-coated Jap bloke"), the Minister of the Japanese Embassy in London protested that "most Japanese people find the word 'Japs' offensive, irrespective of the circumstances in which it is used."

So yes, it's widely known (and not part of some PC culture) that "Jap" is an offensive term. Gilman, in his youth, might be forgiven for not knowing that. I'm guessing some of the commenters here are old enough to know better.
Brazil06 (2) about 10 months ago
I can't tell if the arguments about "jap" being an acceptable term using examples of the shortening of other countries is real, or just being thrown out bc someone's beliefs are being threatened . While neither is great, I sure hope it's the latter. For people not to understand the history of that specific term, either shows a general lack of education, or a general lack of respect. There are no issues with Dane , Swede, etc , so bringing this up as defense of your own beliefs is either meant as a smokescreen because you feel called out, or you just are not educated on the history of that specific term . Either way, it's wrong .

At the end of the day, it's not progressives that are the whiners about losing. It's people with viewpoints like the ones on this page that marginalize other races that are the whiny losers. Revolutionary War , Civil War, WW I, WW II.... all fought against hate mongers looking to marginalize other races , religions , creeds. And all victories.

Internationsl wrestling offers an opportunity to break down walls and foster healthy sportsmanship amongst competitors of different countries . It's sad when that opportunity results in gillmans lack of respect for that . Hence his discipline and apology. Because that is NOT reflective of what the Stars and Stripes is all about .

In summary , wrestlers that are the most prepared win. Period. They study the sport , drill , practice , watch tape . My suggestion to those that think "jap" is an acceptable term .... go study and watch tape of history . Go drill and practice being a better version of yourself . Or don't , and be on your back , counting the lights like a fish , whinpering lefty and snowflake , as Progress spladels and pins your a$$. Again .
donski2323 (3) about 10 months ago
Lol...love the, "I'm married to an Asian in Manhattan". You are so full of it Foley. So what you are married to an Asian. This, "a broad acceptance by many Americans to make racially insensitive comments about Asians" is such an irresponsible statement ad you 1005 know it. Fake news.. live in Manhattan and it is the LAST place you would hear any racially insensitive comment.
Andrewmah (3) about 10 months ago
Funny, I don't recall US internment camps for American citizens of British decent during WW2.

Huh? Why would it be necessary to intern immigrants of an ALLIED nation? You need to stick with wrestling. Even at that, your depth in suspect....
Cradle2thegrave (1) about 10 months ago
Nope
Cradle2thegrave (1) about 10 months ago
As far as I can tell, you just strengthened Foley's quote. First of all, his depth is not suspect, he is an avenue of spreading new and innovative information about wrestling, which is the purpose of the mailbag. Secondly, as far as strengthening his quote, it wouldn't be necessary to intern immigrants of an "allied nation," which is the very reason the term "Brit" would not be found offensive. I'd say it might be found more offensive by the people who were not our allies and placed in the internment camps. Either way don't go after someone who is trying to do positive things for the sport in such an aggressive way. Or... if you feel the need to be aggressive, how about going after someone who is attacking our sport. It might serve a better purpose.
rfgilles (1) about 10 months ago
Did you really think Gilman didn't get the response he wanted so he purposefully used a word that some construe as a racial slur? How about the more likely explanation he simply used Jap as an abbreviation. Seems like a pretty erroneous assumption to make on your part TJ Foley.
Retro5 (1) about 10 months ago
Tyrell Fortune also made both Jr World teams (2010) while at Clackamas Jr College. He placed 5th in one style, 7th in the other I believe. Pretty incredible by anyone's standard to be on both teams.
ddb191 (2) about 10 months ago
Remember last week when the discussion was about whether the wrestling community is a totally accepting, respectful brotherhood/sistergood or whether there are elements of ignorance, bigotry and hate? I think the comments this week push us towards the latter conclusion. Seriously....
lesman67 (1) about 10 months ago
Wouldn't calling him a "slant eye" be the racial slur? If he comes from Japan, isn't he a Jap? As for the Cox / Taylor match, the ref should have wiped up the mat and Cox. This wasn't the only bad job by the refs. This will break your heart Foley but women refs should have to work their way up to these types of matches.
jnbroncos (2) about 10 months ago
While I agree that the term "Jap" is derogatory and was surely used by Gilman as a mind game, I find it interesting that even those defending the ill use of this term are wrongly classifying "Asian" people. I guarantee I have been ethnically and racially insensitive in my life. Most of it due to the ignorance of where I was raised. Now living in a larger metro area and raising kids in diverse neighborhoods has opened my eyes to many of my shortcomings. To narrow this issue to just Americans is insane. We have sponsored 5 Japanese exchange students over the years and if you want to hear some derogatory terms ask a 20 year old Japanese student how they feel about Chinese or Korean people. We currently have a young lady by the name of Sakari Kubo staying with us. She is a student a Kumamoto University in Japan. She clearly stated she would rather be called a Jap than Asian. Being classified as Asian is something that all of these students have show strong negative reactions to over the years. Just one to chew on, again ignorance is the largest culprit, and none of us are capable of knowing everything.
davidtaylorgangordie (1) about 10 months ago
Sam Hazewinkel in 2014 was on both national teams
Andrewmah (1) about 10 months ago
It really doesn’t matter if you post as Cradle2thegrave or trfoley. Your statement trying to generate sympathy for the Japanese because they were interned (when none of our British allies were) is ridiculous given the British were on our side!

Unlike any nation before, Japan attacked the US. Japan was also an extremely dangerous enemy given the ethos of Kamikaze and its imperialistic goals.

These two items (attacks on our homeland and willingness to die doing it) are extremely similar to today’s Islamic terrorists and we should take heed.

In 1942, our Democratic president rightfully chose to protect the American citizens from the entrenched Japanese spy network in the US, and for that he should be applauded.
TooOld (1) about 10 months ago
Andrewmah - I don't know whether you're purposely confusing the issue or whether you simply missed the point. Foley didn't mention the internment camps to "generate sympathy for the Japanese." He did it to show that Japanese [and Japanese-Americans] have historically been viewed by most Americans as much worse than other groups such as the British, which is why "Jap" is an epithet while "Brit" isn't.
Brazil06 (1) about 10 months ago
Andrewmah- it's been 70+ years. We are not at war with Japan anymore. The wrestler Gilman was referring to did not attack Pearl Harbor. But thanks for cluing everyone in on where you are coming from. Now back to wrestling .
Andrewmah (1) about 10 months ago
Fellas, fellas, fellas……sorry if I exposed the “progressive” for what he is. An uninformed leftee propagandist. As are both of you, apparently.

If you refuse to admit the fact that he was trying to evoke sympathy to support his PC double standard, you’re merely trying to cover for his embarrassment.

Sympathy or “guilting” is almost ALWAYS the reason a leftee uses the the internment claim.

You said so yourself TooOld “to show that Japanese [and Japanese-Americans] have historically been viewed by most Americans as much worse”.

Don’t fault me that Foley sent the conversation into a historical political direction. I’m just getting his mind right.
PapaBearSLIM (2) about 10 months ago
"I'm not offended so it's not offensive"
Ignorance at it's finest.
Monsieur Tarzan (2) about 10 months ago
The officiating in that Taylor/Cox would've been comical hadn't so much been at stake. At one point, Cox slid on his knees halfway across the mat on his own sweat. Towel'em off, ref! It was so obvious. And that out of bounds call. SMH. Cox is a beast, but Taylor was flat out robbed.

On another note, some of the comments here about the term "Jap" are really ignorant. Andrewmah shows what he's really about when he lauds the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. That's flat out stupid. Sorry.