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Foley's Friday Mailbag: October 18, 2013

T.R. Foley

10/18/2013
T.R. Foley, InterMat Senior Writer
foley@intermatwrestle.com, Twitter: @trfoley

InterMat senior writer T.R. Foley answers reader questions about NCAA wrestling, international wrestling, recruiting, or anything loosely related to wrestling. You have until Thursday night every week to send questions to Foley's Twitter or email account.

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You may have read on the Internet that a Catholic high school in Philadelphia is forbidding female wrestler Amanda Leve from joining the school's new team. Among the reasons noted by a spokesperson for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia was that her involvement with the team would "distort the gender roles play a role in the mature Christian identity," and the "full-contact sports are for boys-only."

Though there are plenty of jokes to be made and outrage to be dished, the Archdiocese and the administration of Archbishop Ryan High School, where Levine would like to wrestle, is well within his right to exclude the young female grappler from the team. The athlete, who according to reports and videos, has bested several of her male counterparts while participating in jiu-jitsu, has no right in a private institution to demand services offered in a public school. Like other exclusively male-only clubs, the Catholic church and this particular school president is within his bounds to keep this willing and talented girl sidelined.

However in doing so the school draws comparisons to other institutions that segregate based on gender, and/or the relative and perceived toughness of the fairer sex. Of the 177 member nations of FILA, the international governing body, only one restricts women from wrestling: The Islamic Republic of Iran. Though I have no personal qualms with the Iranian men and women that I have met around the world, I am disappointed that they don't allow their women to participate. From what I've seen the women are fervent followers of the sport and would excel quickly.

Iran is run by sharia, the ancient Islamic law that governs the actions of the state and gives the Ayatollah his power. In their interpretation of the law, women are forbidden to participate in contact sports. This, even as many Muslim nations whose governments are informed (though not governed) by sharia, allow women to wrestle with equal support -- notably Tunisia and Egypt.

Like Iran, Archbishop Ryan also doesn't allow women to wrestle even as their intellectual and spiritual contemporaries welcome women to the sport. Their decision is disappointing, frustrating and maddening, but in a world where mindless rancor has become commonplace, it's not worth the pounding our fists into the mud. The mistake of Archbishop Ryan and the Archdiocese of Philadelphia speaks volumes for how out-of-touch a group can become when not opening itself up to the wonder and beauty of equality.

Leve seems like a tough girl and I'm certain that she won't allow the misplaced ideology of one institution keep her from pursuing her goals. It's too bad that her school won't let her do that while wearing their colors, but I don't think they deserve that honor.

If you want to voice your displeasure with the decision to not let Amanda Leve wrestle feel free to write a letter to school president Michael McArdle at president@archbishopryan.com.

To your questions ...

Q: Where is Kevin Steinhaus this year? Not ranked?
-- Tom F.


Foley: Word is that he's recovering from knee surgery and possibly taking a redshirt year.

Q: Lately Nebraska has been signing some great recruits. Do you think they are on their way up to contest with some Big Ten teams? How do you think James Green will do? What do you feel their lineup will be with Green, Jake Sueflohn, Austin Wilson, Robert Kokesh, Destin McCauley and Pat Downey?
-- Anthony C.


James Green is a two-time All-American at Nebraska (Photo/Tony Rotundo, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)
Foley: James Green is an exceptional wrestler, and if focused he'll be capable of a top-four finish at the NCAA tournament in 2014. However, if there is a knock on "Mean" James Green it's that he has lacked consistency most typically seen in the national finalist level talent. Though he's a two-time All-American with a win over Derek St. John, Green has some head-scratchers given his talent and the quality of his room. The most obvious example of his big tourney head-scratcher was the 6-5 loss to Kyle Bradley (Missouri) in the first round of the 2013 NCAAs.

Green is only a junior and placing twice at the NCAA tournament means he has the skillset to see the top of the podium in 2014 or 2015. To get there he'll have to even out his season and make significant improvements on the mat (to deal with DSJ and Dylan Ness). My guess is that he places third this season and sets himself up for a title run as a senior.

Overall, the Nebraska lineup is pretty impressive and with solid performances at the NCAA tournament they should place near the top five in the country.

As you said, with the addition of a great recruiting class, this team could be making a run at the Big Ten title in a few years, though Penn State, Iowa and Minnesota are all tough teams to knock from the podium.

Q: Who do you think will win at each weight for the Tour ACW event? It is interesting that there will be no clock and guys have to score points to win. It could really change the dynamic. Also, I think the name is pretty cool. I always wondered how wrestling could rebrand and show pro wrestling without being confused with pro rasslin. Career Wrestler seems like a good solution.
-- J. Martin


Foley: I love the turnout for this event, but I think I'm more into the positive vibes surrounding the organization of the event. As with any sport, wrestling is filled with crooks, heels and sycophants. Teague Moore is the antidote to that muddy concoction of ulterior motives, and you're seeing a good number of talented and good-natured wrestlers looking to participate in Tour ACW. Bravo to him and his team.

This Tour ACWis a test event and it'll take some time to grow the participation and monetize it for long-term stability. The organization will benefit from good production, and as stated above, great leadership. I hope we see a great turnout!

My picks:
135: Jarrod Garnett
155: Frank Molinaro
170: Nick Marable
205: Cam Simaz
265: Dom Bradley

Q: What is your opinion on riding time in college? Does riding time promote stalling from the top man or does it force the bottom man to work for an escape? I tend to think it forces both the top man and bottom man to work to secure a point.
-- Uriel C.


Foley: I agree with you, and don't often hear too much about changing the rules to something with less mat wrestling. What's cool is that a riding time point encourages action on the mat, which as we know can create scrambles and momentum shifting reversals and turns.

American folkstyle wrestling is highly competitive because it takes a multitude of talents to be successful. But what's also nice is that it allows for wrestlers with hyper-focused talents to excel. Jesse Jantzen was an NCAA champion and stud on his feet, but without mat wrestling the sport becomes less interesting to his style. The same can be said for J.P. O'Connor and dozens of other mat wrestlers who lived to score, but often benefitted from that extra ride time point.

I also think that riding-time points create drama that fans of the sport understand and enjoy. Like the shot clock in basketball, following that number as it rises towards a minute late in a close match is thrilling.

On a side note, anyone who doesn't like criteria at the international level should take a look at the ride-time point in college. Isn't riding time used as criteria when declaring a winner at the end of the match?

MULTIMEDIA HALFTIME

Yojiro Uetake Obata



Good luck to Coach Heskett and the guys at Army. Cool video. (Embed)



Q: Ed Ruth could finish his career with three undefeated, national championship seasons. Has anyone else (other than Cael) done that?
-- Glenn W.


Foley: Dating back to the 30s you have Oklahoma State guys like Rex Peery, Earl McCready, David Arndt, Jack VanBebber and Conrad Caldwell.

But there are also a couple of wrestlers from more modern eras with three-time undefeated streaks. Bill Koll Sr. (Northern Iowa), Keith Young (Northern Iowa), Dan Hodge (Oklahoma), and Gray Simons (Lock Haven).

Lee Kemp (Wisconsin) deserves special recognition since he was the last guy outside of Cael to accomplish the feat. However, the most impressive might've been Yojiro Uetake Obata of Oklahoma State.

"Yojo" was a three-time undefeated NCAA champion and two-time Olympic champion for Japan ('64 and '68). He was also a two-time Most Valuable Wrestler at the NCAA Championships, and won that first Olympic title while still wrestling for Oklahoma State.

There are several people in Stillwater, some of who carry the last name Smith, who believe Yojo is the most underrated wrestler in NCAA wrestling history, and that he could also have been the most dominant wrestler to ever compete at Oklahoma State. He was 58-0 and was never really pushed on the mat. No dramatic comebacks, no tight matches. All stud, all the time.

Q: If you throw-in the two Bedlam events with the round robin between Iowa, Minnesota, Oklahoma State and Penn State, which do you believe is the most compelling "Mega Dual" of the season?
-- Brad B.


Foley: Minnesota is returning eight All-Americans and Penn State is the three-time defending NCAA team champion. Hard to argue against that matchup until you consider that Cael and Brands got together over Twitter to set up a dual meet in Carver-Hawkeye, giving their match a dash of spectacle. According to our rankings Penn State and Iowa are in a virtual dead-heat for the team title and with the back-and-forth of the past couple of years it should be an exciting event.

Q: Who do you think had the most effective "signature move" or "signature move series?" For example, Jon Smith's low single series, Jordan Burrough's blast double, James Fleming's "Snapper" (side headlock from top), Cael Sanderson's cross ankle pick, Ben Askren's cradle series (or funky shot defense), Steve Mocco's foot sweep, Anthony Roble's tilt series. This list isn't meant to be exhaustive, just to spur ideas about who you think had the best signature move/move series (moves they became famous/notorious for), not necessarily who was the most successful wrestler.
-- Nathan H.


Foley: Each of the wrestlers you mentioned had a highly effective signature move, but none stick out more to me than John Smith's low single. The best guys in the world trained day-in and day-out to stop it, but when the lights dimmed nobody in the world could stop Smith.

Though a lot is made of Burroughs' double leg, he scores an incredible number of takedowns from short offense -- finding angles and attacking when his opponents drop their head to the mat. If he were truly dependent on his double he'd have been in a lot of trouble against Akbari of Iran in this year's World Championships.

Russia's Bekkhan Goygereev won a World title at 60 kilos (Photo/Tony Rotundo, WrestlersAreWarriors.com)
Cael's ankle pick was pretty silly in its effectiveness and in the collegiate ranks I think it is the most unstoppable takedown we've ever seen. However, it was less effective internationally, and since Cael's body of work is much smaller, it's difficult to put him in front of Smith and the low single.

For a new go-to move I would check out Bekkhan Goygereev's pass-by and add that to you list of moves and guys to consider. He maimed opponents at the World Championships with a simple-looking, but mostly unstoppable pass-by. Guys knew it was coming, but nobody could stop it. Kinda reminded me of Jesse Whitmer's front head, or Zach Roberson's head snap.

Q: Could you explain how the Women's Collegiate Wrestling Association rankings work and how they do their regular season/ national tournament? For example I see on the rankings four women from King are ranked in the top seven at 116 pounds. How does that work having more than one athlete from a school ranked at the same weight? Also the team rankings have schools from Division II, NAIA and Junior College.
-- Jeff J.


Foley: From Gary Abbot of USA Wrestling. The man is an absolute wizard of wrestling knowledge.
Currently, WCWA teams can enter more than one athlete at the WCWA Nationals, similar to the NAIA tournament for men. Coach Archie Randall (OCU) can give you more updates on how the rankings work as well as the national tournament, but the rankings are based upon achievement in college events, as well as USA Wrestling competitions. As you know, they compete in freestyle in women's college wrestling. There are some teams which have a number of quality competitors at the same weight class.

In regards to the WCWA, there have been 10 years of college women's national tournament in the United States. The first four years, the teams which had women's varsity teams organized this tournament as the completion of their college seasons. In the 2007-2008 season, the colleges came together to form the WCWA, and institute a set of bylaws, recruiting and eligibility rules, rankings and other official activities for women's college wrestling, along with the WCWA Nationals. This is now entering its seventh year. Since women's wrestling is not yet recognized as either an emerging sport or a full sport by either the NCAA, the NAIA or the NJCAA, teams from any of those groups are encouraged and invited to join the WCWA. As women's wrestling grows and hopefully achieves official status at these levels, this organization may not need to exist.
Here is a story on the history of the women's college nationals prior to its 10th anniversary.

COMMENT(S) OF THE WEEK

By Jim '69

If you think you knew little about weight cutting and strength building in the 90s, you were absolute geniuses about it compared to the 60s, when no one lifted weights because it would make you "muscle bound." Most guys cut so much weight and were so dehydrated that they looked like refugees from a concentration camp. In addition, the college matches were 3 three- minute periods. Everyone "saved it" for when it was needed and a lot of competition suffered because of it.

By Tim R.

I'm a teacher and coach these are reasons to not wrestle and the rebuttals, listed in the order I hear them from a new recruit. I would love some additions or better arguments. Also would love for someone to make a video aimed at recruiting middle school-aged kids.

1. Singlet complaint
Compare it to football pants that pros wear that are spandex and above the knee, difference is it's a tight tank top, but girls get to see your face. You don't look goofy if you've got the body for it. Think about MMA, track suits, cross-country shorts, or swimming. It's not like you're going to the mall -- you're competing. While you may feel uncomfortable at first, not a good enough reason. Also, fight shorts are coming.

2."Being on top of a guy"
Have you ever been to or watched a whole wrestling match? Have you ever been in a fight that went to the ground? Even if it was a brother or cousin? I just don't understand that excuse. Guess it's a thought that never crossed my mind when I was wrestling. Wrestling is pretty much the manliest thing you can possibly do. It's how primitive man's arguments were settled and probably how early wars were fought. It's one-on-one who's the best with no other objects or equipment.

3. Have to lift/train for football/other sport
I'll train you for 2 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, for 4 months, for free. This will be some of the most intense training you've ever done. Have you seen those crossfit games? This will be like the same thing, except 2 hours worth. Guarantee you'll be in the best shape of your life. We won't make you lose a pound, but you probably will just by burning fat. Also how much money do your parents spend on that training program?

There is no better feeling then winning and knowing it was all you. You control the outcome, not another teammate or person to worry about. Just you.

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rjbielat (1) about 11 months ago
Bravo, Tim R! There are just some things that non-wrestlers don't understand. A lot of people just look for excuses because they aren't tough enough.
jammen (1) about 11 months ago
"Foley: Word is that he's recovering from knee surgery and possibly taking a redshirt year."

Steinhaus has already redshirted. If you meant receive a medical hardship waiver from the NCAA this is unlikely as his rehab is progressing nicely.
trfoley (1) about 11 months ago
Great news. One of my favorite guys to watch. Heard he might try for the medical waiver, but am much happier knowing that he might be on the mat this season. Muir will be to the moon.
CoachC (1) about 11 months ago
Riding time is crap. Watching Delgado stick his head under McD's leg off the whistle is not wrestling to pin, and barely wrestling to win. Some may say it encourages mat wrestling, but real mat wrestling is what DT at PSU does, and does well. He looks for turns and pins.So does Ruth, and so did Kilgore. That is fun to watch. My biggest problem with RT is that most people who are for it have not lost on RT, or forget what that is like when a guy hangs on the leg for 1:15, and then gets hit with stalling in the last :05. I remember all to well losing on RT, and that was 25+yrs ago in D3. I coach to work for the pin, which should work toward the win. My biggest complaint is that the refs at the NCAA's seem oblivious to what is wrestling and what is not. I have been to 2 of the last 3 and find it very difficult, really difficult, to believe these are the best refs available. No respect intended, so pass it on to the last bunch if you like. If I have one fault, it is being too old school, as a family man, teacher and coach. Old school just does not seem popular theses days, but it is hard to disagree with all things considered.
Marty Moose (1) about 11 months ago
I hear a certain newer member of Flowrestling's staff has a hand in getting kids to Nebraska.
trfoley (1) about 11 months ago
Oh, do tell! I'm not up to speed on that type of stuff and don't think I could figure out all the connections if you gave me 12 hours and a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle!

I'm intrigued!
wres (1) about 11 months ago
Don't know about the report, but the connection is simple. 2 Easton PA guys, Willie Saylor and Coach Snyder
leeperryan (1) about 11 months ago
Foley, your attack on the private school shows that you have no respect for people who have a different opinion, view, or religion than you. The obvious solution here is for the girl to go to a different school rather than expect a private school to change to suit her. Don't attack people for having a different opinion than yourself.
trfoley (2) about 11 months ago
I certainly have plenty of respect for differing cultures, religions and rules of law. However, as is my right, I disagree with Archbishop Ryan's interpretation of Christian ideology and their insistence on limiting the options of one of their students based on her gender and their belief on what that gender is capable of accomplishing.

As with all things, the sports world is becoming more equitable and just, and despite their attempts to hold strong to antiquated ideals Archbishop Ryan and others will eventually find the path to gender equality. It'll just take a few emails and some gentle nudging.

Thanks for writing. I always appreciate hearing the other side to an argument.
leeperryan (1) about 11 months ago
It's ok to disagree with ideology, but the Archbishop doesn't deserve to be attacked because of it. I encourage you to promote the sport of wrestling in schools (i.e. the addition of this wrestling program), like you normally do, rather than to push people to change their moral beliefs to the way you think they should be. Many people, like myself, have the belief that boys and girls should not experience the physical contact with each other that is inherent with the sport of wrestling. Capability is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned.
I believe your encouragement to send emails of dissent to the Archbishop may be a disservice to the sport of wrestling by discouraging this school and others from starting wrestling programs because of the potential for similar retribution.
wres (1) about 11 months ago
I agree with that statement about boys wrestling girls, you should have said that in your first response. I'm all for girls wrestling, just not with boys. There are too many issues, both sexual and psychological. Boys are put in a lose lose situation. Like it or not, a boy who loses to a girl is ridiculed, especially if it happens in Jr. High
trfoley (1) about 11 months ago
What do you (and the principle) think is going to happen on the mat? Do you think the boys are going to become hyper-sexual? That the girls are going to become trollops? What are you insinuating when you write, "boys and girls should not experience the physical contact with each other that is inherent with the sport of wrestling." Do you know what high school kids are doing nowadays? What they can access on the Internet?

Regardless of if you've taken a peek at what's going on between the sheets with most high schoolers, I seriously doubt that the addition of a single female wrestler to a a high school wrestling team will send the world spiraling into a Godless, hedonistic and sexually driven state. She's a self-described "Tom-Boy" who wants to wrestle. She wants to take part in the sport you love, and yet she can't participate because you and the Catholic church attached her participation to some distant interpretation of morality?

We should be leaders for the next generation of adults. There should be an effort to show acceptance, and to eschew the easy impulse to say "no" because it makes us feel uncomfortable. This child deserves every right as the next, and though you see her participation as an encroachment on your moral fiber, she sees it as a chance to workout, compete and take the next step on her dreams of becoming a professional athlete.

I'm not apologetic for asking Archbishop Ryan High School to rethink his decision. Wrestling is a sport that we all love dearly and to hear that someone can't compete based on totally arbitrary reasons is frustrating. One-legged men can wrestle, but not a girl? The blind, the deaf, the you-name-it can all step on the mat and be accommodated, but not a girl?

His email address is: mmcardle@archbishopryan.com ... Be sure to write him a letter of support as he takes on the throngs of us who will be emailing him in the name of acceptance, equality and forward-thinking.
leeperryan (1) about 11 months ago
I am the father of two girls, 7 and 12. I am aware of what happens with children nowadays, thank you very much. It's not too different than when I was a wrestler in high school. I am a Christian, but not Catholic. I have sufficient life experience to form a reasonable, logical, and even emotional opinion on this subject and I'm sure you do too. But, it is not beneficial to the wrestling community for you to attack individuals or groups because they don't adhere to your progressive views. I won't speak for the principal (or the Archbishop, lol), but I will say that I don't want my daughters touching or being touched by boys in the ways that happen while wrestling. That is how I parent, whether you approve or not and I hope that the school doesn't back down from their principles either.
Just because someone's beliefs differ from yours, it doesn't mean their beliefs are arbitrary or invalid.
And yes, I did email the school to support their decision to add wrestling and to not allow girls on the boys team.
I'm very disappointed that the addition of a wrestling program has been dealt with so negatively.
I will agree to disagree with you on this subject. I know that there are many on both sides of the issue, but attacking the other side is not the answer.
trfoley (1) about 11 months ago
My disagreement with the school was never intended to be "attacking." I didn't recommend that the principal be fired, but I did ask that everyone in opposition to his decision make their voice heard. You're conflating the act of voicing opposition, with the act of mindlessly beating down someone for a differing opinion. The principal and the Archdiocese made the decision, and like any decisions it came with consequence. (It's worth mentioning that I didn't uncover this story.)

You wrote, "I don't want my daughters touching or being touched by boys in the ways that happen while wrestling." Those are your daughters and your decision. Why should that inform the decision-making process of someone else's daughter? Should we restrict Amanda's pursuits because a few people want something different for their own children?

Finally, and I think notably, the negative attention for Archbishop Ryan doesn't come from adding a wrestling program, but from restricting the participation of a student based on her set of body parts.
leeperryan (1) about 11 months ago
The inappropriate contact goes both ways. The boys shouldn't be put in that situation either. You don't generally get to choose your opponent.
Your encouragement to get people to email their dissatisfaction was an attempt to pressure the school to change their decision. Being a private, religious organization, their decision should have been respected, without harassment, whether you agree with them or not. Any dissension should be dealt with among their own membership.
hitch149 (1) about 11 months ago
Just to throw my two cents into this, I am completely with TR on this one. But Foley I don't think you need to discuss this from an opinion perspective. This is a matter of right and wrong. Everyone is not entitled to their own opinion if it demeans and holds back other humans. The people arguing for segregation in the 60's were not entitled to their opinion they were wrong. Religion has been the excuse for so many evil acts throughout history. Obviously I am taking this a bit far, but if the girl can keep up physically and her parents sign the consent form then lets get to work.
wres (1) about 11 months ago
Girls need their own team. No other sport I can think of that is beyond youth levels has boys and girls play together. I know once in while you get it in football or baseball, but it's just not common practice. Now add in the close physical nature of the sport, I don't think its crazy to say that it creates some uncomfortable positions for both kids involved. Not only sexual stuff, but if a boy wins, it is expected, if he loses he will be made fun of for life, seriously, for life. That is not forgotten by people. Like it or not, that is the way it is and that will never change...ever. Girls will gain equality by creating their own teams and competing against girls. It won't be as big as men's over night, but start by just small club teams and travel to a few tournaments a year. I'd even be ok with them in the same practice room, but only wrestle with another girl. It will grow over time. Again, all for women's rights but I do have a huge problem if my son had to beat up on a girl, or got beat up on. As stated previously, very embarrassing. Also,what if I had a daughter who was wrestling against a boy who started to make a joke of it or embarrass her on the mat. That scenario is not far fetched. I just think it's not a healthy situation on many levels for all involved. Absolutely let them wrestle, just not against boys.
Schultzfan (1) about 11 months ago
Good stuff as always!

To CoachC: I disagree. I have WON matches solely on riding time because I outworked my opponent and earned it. Wrestling as a whole seems more geared towards scoring points instead of going for pin. I believe the point system wasn't even used before the 40's in college wrestling and matches were decided by Time Advantage or pin. I have lost matches on the riding time point as well, but have never felt as though it was because the opponent was stalling.
As for the Catholic School comment, no where in the Bible does it mention women shouldn't wrestle or participate in sports. Anyone believing the Bible is God's Word should understand this and allow women to compete and try not to base it on false facts.
CoachC (1) about 11 months ago
To Shultzfan: I will re-phrase my dilemma. Going spiral ride or cranking a half with legs is working for a pin and earning riding time. I am cool with that. Top is working to pin. Picking a guy up on the edge of the mat and walking out of bounds, hanging on a leg and then shoving your head under while they lock through the crotch is not working for the pin. I have been in wrestling a long time and still hear refs say "top man improve". What you bring up is legit, so sorry for the miscommunication. What the wrestling community accepts today as wrestling is stalling, unless that is how wrestlers are taught to win. I am speechless at many college matches when the top man does nothing offensive and the refs let it go. That is my problem with riding time.
dnugent (1) about 11 months ago
In one paragraph you call Green's loss to Kyle Bradley a head-scratcher,but note Green's win over St. John as a indicator of his potential. I'm not for sure using Bradley is the greatest example of a "head-scratcher" in that Bradley also beat St. John last year.
trfoley (1) about 11 months ago
Fair point.
spencerszewczyk (1) about 11 months ago
Riding time is crap: that is why it was removed from high school wrestling, to improve the excitement of the sport and not reward stalling. That's all a riding time point is: a reward for stalling. If a wrestler rides another wrestler for two minutes but never turns him, does he deserve a reward for that? Why doesn't the bottom wrestler get a point for not getting turned? Get rid of the stupid riding time point in college just like high school did and make the top man turn the bottom man or cut him loose and go neutral. Too many refs let stalling go because the top man is "getting riding time" but the top wrestler never moves perpendicular for a turn or even tries a tilt.
spencerszewczyk (1) about 11 months ago
The best signature move in wrestling history was Wade Schalles' spladle. Unstoppable and pinned just about everyone with it. Still a great move!
As for wearing singlets: I never heard a girl in my entire career say she DIDN'T love seeing guys in singlets! Who cares what other guys think about singlets, if girls like them, why would you ever get rid of them? My girlfriend used to make me wear it under my clothes when we went on dates for later!
wres (1) about 11 months ago
While you and your former gf may disagree, singlets are the first excuse I always hear when trying to get a 7th grade kid out for wrestling.
Corey (1) about 11 months ago
Citing what the hs rules makers have done is NEVER a good idea when trying to prove a point. Nobody makes less sense the NFSHA rules makers

Fleming's signature move was so good it is now illegal.

Archbishop Ryan is the name of te school not the current Archbishop of Philadelphia. Seems to me Foley was disagreeing with the president of the school.
leeperryan (1) about 11 months ago
Right. Substitute "Archbishop" with "president". :)
jammen (1) about 11 months ago
"Don't know about the report, but the connection is simple. 2 Easton PA guys, Willie Saylor and Coach Snyder."

Willie Saylor was also a grad student at UNL.
WCB123 (1) about 11 months ago
Your article on the female wrestler is typical liberal slanted journalism. The church is saying the girl can't wrestle on a boys team. The Republic of Iran says females can't wrestle at all! Period! Why can't I play on the field hockey team at my school??? Maybe you should write an article about that. Girls can wrestle in this country. They can wrestle on some, most or all public school teams and in national and international competition. If a private, catholic school does not have a girls wrestling team and has issues with girls competing with boys in a very "hands on" full contact sport, I have no problem with that. It's a private school and when you apply there it is with an understanding that you have to abide by their own private school rules which are clearly known to be different than public school rules. Again, why don't you have a problem with the fact that I can not play field hockey at my school? After all there is no boys field hockey team. If the girl doesn't like it she has options. She can transfer to public school and wrestle. But you, like many others, look for any opportunity to take a cheap shot at the Catholic Church.
WCB123 (1) about 11 months ago
So posting a link about a boy who is allowed to play field hockey in Pa is your response to my entire post.....I'm not surprised. Did you even read the article you posted? Did you read the volleyball part where a state or school official in NY has a problem with what boys playing on a girls team is doing to the sport? Where I live boys are not allowed to play on the school field hockey team.....and I have no problem with that. But somehow the Mean, women hating, Catholic Church and this private institution just want to keep women down. You drew comparisons to the Catholic Church, this HS, and Iranian sharia law. Why don't you give us some examples of how women are treated under sharia so we can decide for ourselves is your comparison is legitimate. Thanks
jammen (1) about 10 months ago
1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642.

No, that is not from The Onion. It did take the Vatican 350 years to agree that the earth revolves around the sun.
MLJ (1) about 10 months ago
Is Beat The Streets Philadelphia an option for Amanda Leve?
mrussell515 (1) about 10 months ago
As soon as I read the intro to the mailbag, I knew it would be a lively weekend on the message board.

I am curious to see if this story unfolds further, or if this will be it. Perhaps an update in a future mailbag?

Also, well said Tim R.

Finally, unrelated question, is there any chance the "takedown-only wrestling tournament followed by post-tournament beers in Chicago" idea will become a reality?